WEBVTT 00:00:16.995 --> 00:01:12.080 ..:: ارائه شده توسط وب سايت بلبل جان ::.. ‏.:: www.bolboljan.net ::. 00:01:16.995 --> 00:01:19.080 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:01:23.835 --> 00:01:24.919 How's that going? 00:01:25.003 --> 00:01:27.172 The mother's bawling and the uncle's pissed off. 00:01:27.964 --> 00:01:28.965 She's not married? 00:01:29.424 --> 00:01:31.259 Divorced with four kids. 00:01:31.342 --> 00:01:33.344 I guess Father was helping out. 00:01:33.970 --> 00:01:35.096 Helping out? 00:01:37.849 --> 00:01:40.018 Hey, Mr. Burke, they're in back talking to the bishop. 00:01:40.101 --> 00:01:42.562 And Father? We put him in the break room. 00:01:42.645 --> 00:01:44.105 Any press? 00:01:44.189 --> 00:01:46.274 Some guy from the Citizen but we sent him away. 00:01:46.524 --> 00:01:47.734 None of the big papers. 00:01:47.817 --> 00:01:50.111 Let's keep it that way. 00:01:50.195 --> 00:01:52.614 Who's that? Assistant DA. 00:01:53.656 --> 00:01:55.658 It's gonna be hard to keep the papers away from the arraignment. 00:01:55.909 --> 00:01:58.203 (SCOFFS) What arraignment? 00:02:00.330 --> 00:02:02.832 You can tell Father Geoghan it won't be much longer. 00:02:04.083 --> 00:02:09.923 BISHOP: Now, Sheila, you know what good work the church does in the community. 00:02:10.006 --> 00:02:12.342 But I give you my personal guarantee 00:02:12.467 --> 00:02:14.844 that I'm going to take Father out of the parish, 00:02:14.928 --> 00:02:17.472 and this will never happen again. 00:02:18.848 --> 00:02:21.142 We'll just be another moment, Paul. 00:02:22.018 --> 00:02:23.478 Of course, Father. 00:02:23.561 --> 00:02:26.815 BISHOP: Now, Sheila, I'm going to give you my personal card... 00:03:04.269 --> 00:03:07.355 BEN: Losing a good reporter is always tough. 00:03:08.606 --> 00:03:10.233 But losing one of our best... 00:03:10.733 --> 00:03:13.403 Well, to put it as eloquently as I can, 00:03:13.486 --> 00:03:14.696 it's a real kick in the ass. 00:03:14.779 --> 00:03:15.780 (ALL CHUCKLE) 00:03:15.905 --> 00:03:18.032 But, Robby here has known Stewart 00:03:18.116 --> 00:03:19.868 longer than most of you have been alive, 00:03:19.951 --> 00:03:22.328 so, I'll hand it off to him. Robby. 00:03:22.412 --> 00:03:25.957 Oh, well, thanks, Ben. I think. (ALL LAUGHING) 00:03:26.124 --> 00:03:30.128 Although I take issue with your reference to my seniority, 00:03:30.962 --> 00:03:35.091 I will say that Stewart's departure is especially painful for me 00:03:35.174 --> 00:03:37.802 because, uh... For what, Stewart? 00:03:38.052 --> 00:03:39.387 Twenty years now? 00:03:39.470 --> 00:03:41.556 Stewart's been more than willing to part 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:43.057 with his money at the poker table. 00:03:43.182 --> 00:03:44.475 (ALL LAUGHING) 00:03:44.684 --> 00:03:47.186 And I've got a kid in college. 00:03:47.312 --> 00:03:49.814 Yeah, but I'm gonna keep playing. Oh, problem solved. 00:03:50.899 --> 00:03:52.317 Godspeed then. 00:03:53.526 --> 00:03:58.573 Now, Stewart, I find the timing of your departure 00:03:58.656 --> 00:03:59.657 disconcerting. 00:04:00.575 --> 00:04:03.161 The corner office sits empty, 00:04:03.494 --> 00:04:05.413 the new editor arrives on Monday, 00:04:05.997 --> 00:04:09.167 so I'm sorry, buddy, but I gotta ask ya. 00:04:09.792 --> 00:04:11.294 What the hell do you know? 00:04:11.377 --> 00:04:13.004 (ALL LAUGHING) 00:04:16.341 --> 00:04:18.509 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:04:28.645 --> 00:04:30.104 How's the cake? 00:04:30.188 --> 00:04:32.357 It's really good. Are you saving yours? 00:04:32.440 --> 00:04:34.317 Nah, it's for Mike. I can never eat at those things. 00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:36.736 They kind of depress me. I know. 00:04:36.819 --> 00:04:38.071 Did you see the numbers from Washington? 00:04:38.154 --> 00:04:40.782 Yeah. Very interesting. I think so, too. 00:04:40.865 --> 00:04:43.242 I'm not asking if the PD's lying, I know they're lying. 00:04:43.409 --> 00:04:45.244 All I'm asking, who's behind it? 00:04:46.037 --> 00:04:48.957 Oh. Okay, I get it. You don't want to talk. 00:04:50.083 --> 00:04:51.584 No, Dan, I'm not mad, I'm hungry. 00:04:51.668 --> 00:04:53.336 I've been talking here so long I didn't eat lunch. 00:04:53.419 --> 00:04:54.796 So I'm gonna go get something to eat, 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:56.214 and that'll give you an hour to decide 00:04:56.297 --> 00:04:57.632 whether you want to be on the right side of this 00:04:57.715 --> 00:04:59.509 or read about it like everybody else. 00:04:59.592 --> 00:05:00.593 Bye, Dan. 00:05:00.969 --> 00:05:02.428 You think Cahill has something? 00:05:02.512 --> 00:05:04.555 Maybe. I just don't think the story's for us. 00:05:05.098 --> 00:05:07.809 Ben likes it. Yeah, it's not bad, it's just not Spotlight. 00:05:07.892 --> 00:05:08.935 What's just not Spotlight? 00:05:09.060 --> 00:05:11.260 SACHA: The PD numbers. The numbers story. It feels thin. 00:05:11.896 --> 00:05:13.982 Oh, you got Cahill to talk? 00:05:15.817 --> 00:05:16.901 No, but I will. 00:05:17.610 --> 00:05:19.862 Good. Then we'll know if it's thin. 00:05:21.906 --> 00:05:23.491 How'd it go upstairs? MATT: Oh, okay. 00:05:23.574 --> 00:05:25.994 Robby gave a good speech. MIKE: Sure he did. 00:05:26.077 --> 00:05:27.787 I heard Lubin and Connor are going to the Times. 00:05:27.870 --> 00:05:29.288 Come on, really? MIKE: Yeah, I heard that. 00:05:29.372 --> 00:05:30.373 They're leeching us. 00:05:30.456 --> 00:05:32.542 Well, at least they're sending us a guy from Miami to run things. 00:05:32.625 --> 00:05:33.710 That should help. 00:05:34.085 --> 00:05:36.045 Has Baron even spent time in Boston? 00:05:36.129 --> 00:05:38.673 I don't think he's ever been here before. Maybe we should buy him a map. 00:05:38.840 --> 00:05:41.160 I have a friend down in Miami said he cut 15% of the staff. 00:05:41.259 --> 00:05:42.593 MATT: Great... Hey, Robby. 00:05:42.677 --> 00:05:44.262 New boss coming in to make some cuts? 00:05:44.887 --> 00:05:46.180 I have no idea. 00:05:46.931 --> 00:05:48.211 Aren't you sitting down with him? 00:05:48.516 --> 00:05:50.685 Yes, I am. So is it about Spotlight? 00:05:50.852 --> 00:05:53.104 I don't know, Mike, but I do know 00:05:53.271 --> 00:05:55.982 that Ben needs an answer on the crime numbers story. 00:05:56.607 --> 00:05:59.207 (SIGHS) I'm telling you, I really don't think that story's for us. 00:05:59.777 --> 00:06:01.571 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 00:06:04.699 --> 00:06:05.867 Mr. Baron. 00:06:06.743 --> 00:06:08.411 Walter Robinson. Robby. 00:06:09.537 --> 00:06:11.039 Thanks for taking the time out of your weekend. 00:06:11.122 --> 00:06:12.623 Oh, my pleasure. Appreciate it. 00:06:13.916 --> 00:06:14.916 What are you reading? 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:16.169 Uh... 00:06:16.294 --> 00:06:17.754 The Curse of the Bambino. 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:19.922 Oh, yeah, it's a great book. 00:06:20.256 --> 00:06:22.383 The Globe has season tickets at Fenway 00:06:22.467 --> 00:06:24.010 once you're settled in, by the way. 00:06:24.302 --> 00:06:25.553 Thank you. 00:06:25.636 --> 00:06:28.473 Uh, to be honest, I'm not much of a baseball fan. 00:06:28.556 --> 00:06:31.142 I'm just trying to get a feel for the city. 00:06:31.726 --> 00:06:33.478 Oh, yeah... 00:06:33.644 --> 00:06:35.354 So you're originally from Boston? 00:06:35.521 --> 00:06:37.356 I am. Born and raised, yeah. 00:06:37.523 --> 00:06:39.609 A lot of the newsroom is from here. 00:06:39.776 --> 00:06:42.987 It really feels like a local paper in that way. 00:06:43.488 --> 00:06:46.657 And did that change at all after the paper was sold to the Times? 00:06:48.076 --> 00:06:50.912 No. No, I don't think that had a big impact. 00:06:51.829 --> 00:06:52.830 Good. 00:06:54.248 --> 00:06:57.418 And you're an editor for the Spotlight team? 00:06:58.127 --> 00:07:01.130 I'd prefer to think of myself as player coach. But yes. 00:07:01.798 --> 00:07:03.091 Are you familiar with Spotlight? 00:07:04.092 --> 00:07:05.301 No, not particularly. 00:07:05.468 --> 00:07:08.805 Well, we are a four-person investigative team. 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:11.516 We report to Ben Bradlee, Jr., 00:07:11.599 --> 00:07:13.684 and we keep our work confidential. 00:07:15.645 --> 00:07:16.854 What're you working on now? 00:07:17.313 --> 00:07:20.441 We just put out a piece on a shoddy construction outfit, 00:07:20.525 --> 00:07:24.195 and right now we're really just trolling around for our next story. 00:07:25.029 --> 00:07:26.364 How long does that typically take? 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.575 Hard to say. A couple months. 00:07:30.701 --> 00:07:31.702 Couple months? 00:07:32.036 --> 00:07:34.038 Yeah, we don't like to rush it. 00:07:34.372 --> 00:07:39.377 Once we settle on a project, we can spend a year or more investigating it. 00:07:42.213 --> 00:07:44.715 Is that a concern? Not necessarily. 00:07:45.591 --> 00:07:47.511 Um, but from what I understand readership is down, 00:07:47.552 --> 00:07:50.972 Internet is cutting into the classified business, and 00:07:51.556 --> 00:07:54.142 I think I'm gonna need to take a hard look at things. 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.938 So, do you anticipate more cuts? 00:08:00.231 --> 00:08:03.317 I think it's safe to assume so, 00:08:04.235 --> 00:08:07.321 but what I'm more focused on right now is finding a way 00:08:07.488 --> 00:08:10.950 to make this paper essential to its readers. 00:08:12.368 --> 00:08:14.203 I like to think it already is. 00:08:15.496 --> 00:08:19.500 Fair enough. I just think that we can do better. 00:08:31.512 --> 00:08:33.055 Mr. Bradlee. Hey. 00:08:33.139 --> 00:08:35.266 Saw the PD numbers. Looks interesting. 00:08:35.349 --> 00:08:36.549 Yeah, there's something there. 00:08:36.601 --> 00:08:38.811 How long do you need? Another week. 00:08:39.896 --> 00:08:42.148 Where're you going? 10:30. 00:08:42.481 --> 00:08:43.733 Since when? 00:08:43.858 --> 00:08:46.068 (SCOFFS) Technically, I am an editor. 00:08:46.235 --> 00:08:47.403 Technically. 00:08:47.612 --> 00:08:49.447 Your sit-down with Baron go that well? 00:08:49.822 --> 00:08:52.491 I couldn't get a read on him. That's a first. 00:08:52.825 --> 00:08:55.369 How about you? Oh, he's a barrel of laughs. 00:08:55.453 --> 00:08:56.996 (BOTH LAUGH) 00:08:57.455 --> 00:08:59.248 Morning, everyone. Let's get started. 00:09:00.291 --> 00:09:02.043 Do you wanna say something, Marty? 00:09:02.585 --> 00:09:03.753 Uh, sure. 00:09:05.838 --> 00:09:06.881 Uh, hello. 00:09:07.882 --> 00:09:11.677 As most of you know by now, my name is Marty Baron, 00:09:12.178 --> 00:09:15.097 I'm delighted to be here. 00:09:17.558 --> 00:09:20.811 Um, if you could tell me your name as we go around, that'd be helpful. 00:09:20.895 --> 00:09:22.230 Thank you. 00:09:23.522 --> 00:09:25.524 Okay. Peter? 00:09:25.733 --> 00:09:27.235 Peter Canellos, Metro. 00:09:27.944 --> 00:09:30.029 I've got a major Big Dig closure. 00:09:32.323 --> 00:09:34.492 Hey, Steve. Hey. Mike. 00:09:35.576 --> 00:09:36.994 Crappy game last night, huh? 00:09:37.495 --> 00:09:39.038 Yeah, they can't hit worth a nickel. 00:09:39.205 --> 00:09:42.625 Hey listen, what's Eileen McNamara doing in the 10:30? 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.128 Do you need something, Mike? No, just curious. 00:09:46.671 --> 00:09:48.547 Go be curious somewhere else. I got work to do, huh? 00:09:48.714 --> 00:09:49.924 Okay, Steve. 00:09:50.007 --> 00:09:51.425 See you. Yeah. 00:09:51.968 --> 00:09:54.553 And it looks like Pedro's gonna be out until September 1st. 00:09:54.637 --> 00:09:57.348 Jimmy says he'll be back this year, but the doc didn't seem so sure. 00:09:57.848 --> 00:09:58.975 When's the Pats' opener? 00:09:59.267 --> 00:10:00.851 (ALL LAUGH) 00:10:03.062 --> 00:10:05.314 Is that everyone? 00:10:05.439 --> 00:10:07.441 HELEN: Yes, that's it. Okay. Good. 00:10:07.692 --> 00:10:09.193 Thank you. Uh... 00:10:09.568 --> 00:10:13.406 Did everyone read Eileen McNamara's column this weekend? 00:10:14.407 --> 00:10:15.700 That's the Geoghan case? 00:10:15.783 --> 00:10:17.702 Yeah, what's the folo on that? 00:10:18.536 --> 00:10:21.622 It's a column, what kind of folo were you thinking? 00:10:22.415 --> 00:10:25.501 Uh, well, apparently this priest molested kids 00:10:25.584 --> 00:10:27.545 in six different parishes over the last 30 years, 00:10:27.712 --> 00:10:30.006 and the attorney for the victims, Mr... 00:10:30.339 --> 00:10:32.216 Garabedian. Thanks, Eileen. 00:10:32.383 --> 00:10:34.468 Mr. Garabedian says Cardinal Law found out 00:10:34.552 --> 00:10:36.345 about it 15 years ago and did nothing. 00:10:36.429 --> 00:10:38.014 Yeah, I think that attorney's a bit of a crank, 00:10:38.097 --> 00:10:39.598 and the church dismissed the claim. 00:10:39.724 --> 00:10:40.850 He said, she said. 00:10:41.183 --> 00:10:42.977 Whether Mr. Garabedian is a crank or not 00:10:43.144 --> 00:10:45.479 he says he has documents that prove the cardinal knew. 00:10:45.855 --> 00:10:48.065 As I understand it, those documents are under seal. 00:10:48.316 --> 00:10:51.986 Okay, but the fact remains, a Boston priest abused 80 kids, 00:10:52.153 --> 00:10:54.613 we have a lawyer who says he can prove Law knew about it, 00:10:54.780 --> 00:10:58.117 and we've written all of, uh, two stories in the last six months. 00:10:59.243 --> 00:11:02.496 This strikes me as an essential story to a local paper. 00:11:02.663 --> 00:11:06.000 I think at the very least, we have to go through those documents. 00:11:06.584 --> 00:11:07.877 How would you like to do that? 00:11:08.878 --> 00:11:09.879 Oh, uh... 00:11:10.046 --> 00:11:11.839 I don't know what the laws are here, 00:11:11.922 --> 00:11:13.758 but in Florida we would go to court. 00:11:14.633 --> 00:11:15.843 You want to sue the church? 00:11:17.219 --> 00:11:18.512 Technically we wouldn't sue the church. 00:11:18.596 --> 00:11:21.265 We'd file a motion to lift the seal on those documents. 00:11:21.724 --> 00:11:23.476 The church will read that as us suing them. 00:11:24.310 --> 00:11:25.644 So will everybody else. 00:11:26.979 --> 00:11:28.314 Good to know. 00:11:31.359 --> 00:11:32.651 Gutsy call for the first day. 00:11:32.735 --> 00:11:33.944 That's one word for it. 00:11:34.111 --> 00:11:35.911 How do you think that's gonna play down front? 00:11:36.072 --> 00:11:37.823 I think Gilman's gonna shit a brick. 00:11:38.032 --> 00:11:39.533 Hey. Door. 00:11:40.034 --> 00:11:41.243 How'd it go? 00:11:41.577 --> 00:11:45.206 Well, Baron wants to sue for the sealed docs in the Geoghan case. 00:11:45.664 --> 00:11:48.250 Wants to sue the church? Hey, that's great. 00:11:48.959 --> 00:11:51.462 We covered Geoghan when the story broke three years ago. 00:11:51.629 --> 00:11:53.214 Baron was still in Miami. 00:11:53.297 --> 00:11:55.257 I think he might have been at the Times then, actually. 00:11:55.341 --> 00:11:56.384 He wasn't here. 00:11:56.467 --> 00:11:57.987 So do you think that suit has a chance? 00:11:59.178 --> 00:12:00.679 Depends on the judge. 00:12:01.138 --> 00:12:02.973 And what parish he belongs to. (PHONE RINGS) 00:12:04.642 --> 00:12:06.936 Bradlee. Yeah. 00:12:07.895 --> 00:12:08.938 Okay. 00:12:10.606 --> 00:12:11.899 Baron wants to talk to us. 00:12:12.817 --> 00:12:13.859 Us? 00:12:14.193 --> 00:12:15.945 MARTY: Okay, Jon. Thank you. 00:12:16.821 --> 00:12:18.823 Yes. Okay, thanks. 00:12:20.449 --> 00:12:23.702 I've set up a meeting for tomorrow with outside counsel. 00:12:23.911 --> 00:12:25.454 Jon Albano? Yeah. 00:12:25.621 --> 00:12:27.123 Who's the judge in this case? 00:12:27.748 --> 00:12:29.125 Um... 00:12:29.834 --> 00:12:31.335 Constance Sweeney. 00:12:31.627 --> 00:12:33.212 BEN: Tough. Why's that? 00:12:33.921 --> 00:12:36.090 Good Catholic girl. Huh. 00:12:37.842 --> 00:12:39.552 So, um, 00:12:39.635 --> 00:12:41.762 judging from what I've read, it doesn't seem like we've done 00:12:41.846 --> 00:12:44.723 a very thorough investigation into the Geoghan case. 00:12:44.807 --> 00:12:46.809 Is that right? No, it's not. 00:12:47.518 --> 00:12:48.978 We looked hard at Geoghan. 00:12:49.145 --> 00:12:52.148 David Armstrong from Metro, Michael Paulson for Religion. 00:12:52.898 --> 00:12:55.401 Okay, but, uh, just so I understand, 00:12:55.568 --> 00:12:57.903 beyond our daily coverage, we haven't... 00:12:58.070 --> 00:13:00.990 We haven't committed any long-term investigative resources 00:13:01.157 --> 00:13:03.659 to the question of whether or not Cardinal Law knew about this? 00:13:05.161 --> 00:13:06.412 No, we haven't. 00:13:06.871 --> 00:13:08.751 And that's the kind of thing your team would do? 00:13:08.998 --> 00:13:10.249 Spotlight? Well, yeah. 00:13:10.416 --> 00:13:14.128 But we're still prospecting the Boston PD story I told you about. 00:13:15.296 --> 00:13:16.547 Could you set that aside? 00:13:16.672 --> 00:13:17.882 We could. 00:13:18.215 --> 00:13:21.802 Marty, in past Spotlight's had success in large part 00:13:21.969 --> 00:13:23.409 because they pick their own projects. 00:13:27.183 --> 00:13:29.185 Would you consider picking this one? 00:13:30.060 --> 00:13:31.604 I don't know if he's writing about you, 00:13:31.687 --> 00:13:33.439 but I will let him know you called. 00:13:33.522 --> 00:13:35.065 Okay, bye. 00:13:35.149 --> 00:13:37.234 Hey. Hey, how'd it go? 00:13:38.068 --> 00:13:40.154 Okay. Uh... 00:13:40.237 --> 00:13:42.823 Baron wants us to scrub the Geoghan case. 00:13:44.742 --> 00:13:46.285 That's great. Didn't we cover Geoghan? 00:13:46.368 --> 00:13:48.871 Yeah, there's a lawyer alleging Cardinal Law knew about it. 00:13:49.079 --> 00:13:50.719 Mmm. Mitch Garabedian, right? ROBBY: Yeah. 00:13:50.748 --> 00:13:51.988 I covered him at the courthouse. 00:13:52.416 --> 00:13:54.296 Can you get to him? I only interviewed him once. 00:13:54.335 --> 00:13:55.669 He's kind of a character. 00:13:55.753 --> 00:13:57.046 I like characters. I'll take him. 00:13:57.254 --> 00:13:58.339 Good. You take him. 00:13:58.422 --> 00:14:00.382 Also, we should be talking to, uh, 00:14:00.549 --> 00:14:02.343 the lawyer who repped the victims in the Porter case. 00:14:02.426 --> 00:14:03.427 Eric Macleish. Uh-huh. 00:14:03.552 --> 00:14:06.388 That guy was always on TV. Yeah, the Porter case? 00:14:06.597 --> 00:14:09.225 Remind me. Yeah, um, Father Porter, similar story. 00:14:09.391 --> 00:14:11.769 Molested dozens of kids in Fall River about 10 years ago. 00:14:11.852 --> 00:14:13.145 So, we're dropping the Boston PD? 00:14:13.229 --> 00:14:14.355 I vote yes. No, no. 00:14:14.438 --> 00:14:16.357 We just gotta set it aside for now. 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:18.025 Listen, I don't need to tell you guys this. 00:14:18.108 --> 00:14:19.693 We need to be more discreet than usual. 00:14:19.777 --> 00:14:20.986 All right? 00:14:21.070 --> 00:14:23.572 Everybody's gonna be interested in this, not just the Herald. 00:14:24.198 --> 00:14:26.959 We can't let Cardinal Law get wind of this until we know what we have. 00:14:28.118 --> 00:14:29.453 Good luck with that. 00:14:35.292 --> 00:14:36.544 HANSI: So when do you leave, Nana? 00:14:36.627 --> 00:14:39.630 The bus is picking us up in the church parking lot at 9:00. 00:14:39.755 --> 00:14:41.090 We have 40 people going. 00:14:41.382 --> 00:14:42.800 And is Father Dominic going? 00:14:42.967 --> 00:14:44.802 No, he says he's unlucky. 00:14:44.969 --> 00:14:46.554 But luck has nothing to do with it. 00:14:46.804 --> 00:14:49.473 You know, last time Nana won $160. Wow. 00:14:52.434 --> 00:14:53.602 You gonna tell her? 00:14:54.812 --> 00:14:56.355 We don't even know if there's a story yet. 00:14:56.438 --> 00:14:58.983 Well, "Globe sues church"? It's gonna be a story. 00:15:18.669 --> 00:15:21.672 Hey, Lisa. Could you pull all the relevant clips on that for me? 00:15:21.839 --> 00:15:23.340 Yeah. 00:15:23.507 --> 00:15:24.925 Is this for Spotlight? 00:15:25.092 --> 00:15:26.892 Just drop them off when they're ready? Thanks. 00:15:29.847 --> 00:15:32.141 Excuse me, do you know where the publisher's office is? 00:15:33.350 --> 00:15:34.685 Will do. 00:15:38.022 --> 00:15:39.315 How are you, Marty? 00:15:39.857 --> 00:15:41.025 Settling in? 00:15:41.275 --> 00:15:43.694 Yeah, I think so. Good. 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:45.362 What can I do for you? 00:15:46.196 --> 00:15:47.197 Um... 00:15:47.948 --> 00:15:50.701 I'd like to challenge the protective order in the Geoghan case. 00:15:51.744 --> 00:15:53.203 You want to sue the Catholic Church? 00:15:53.537 --> 00:15:54.538 Um... 00:15:55.205 --> 00:15:58.042 We're just filing a motion, but... 00:15:58.208 --> 00:15:59.209 Yes. 00:16:00.044 --> 00:16:01.211 You think it's that important? 00:16:02.171 --> 00:16:03.756 Yes, I do. 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:07.801 Because obviously the Church will fight us very hard on this. 00:16:07.885 --> 00:16:10.471 Which won't go unnoticed by our subscriber base. 00:16:10.554 --> 00:16:12.222 53% of them are Catholic. 00:16:12.723 --> 00:16:14.058 Mmm-hmm. 00:16:15.100 --> 00:16:16.727 I think they'll be interested. 00:16:20.397 --> 00:16:21.398 Okay. 00:16:26.737 --> 00:16:28.864 Marty, Lake Street will probably contact you 00:16:28.947 --> 00:16:30.032 about a face-to-face with the Cardinal. 00:16:30.115 --> 00:16:31.116 It's customary. 00:16:31.950 --> 00:16:35.120 Yeah. They already have. It's set up for next week. 00:16:36.622 --> 00:16:38.290 I wouldn't mention this. 00:16:38.707 --> 00:16:40.250 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 00:16:49.259 --> 00:16:50.260 Hello? 00:16:53.806 --> 00:16:55.182 Hello? 00:16:55.265 --> 00:16:56.517 Can I help you? Oh, hi. 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:58.160 I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe. 00:16:58.227 --> 00:16:59.812 I'm here to see Mitchell Garabedian. 00:17:00.270 --> 00:17:02.398 He's on a call. Please have a seat. 00:17:03.107 --> 00:17:04.483 Okay. 00:17:05.776 --> 00:17:07.444 All right, I'm listening. Go ahead. 00:17:10.447 --> 00:17:11.448 Okay. 00:17:12.116 --> 00:17:14.034 MITCH: Bill! Where the hell are those papers? 00:17:14.159 --> 00:17:16.078 I asked you to put 'em on my desk! 00:17:19.581 --> 00:17:21.333 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 00:17:31.427 --> 00:17:34.263 The famous Walter Robinson in my conference room. 00:17:35.472 --> 00:17:36.592 Good to see you again, Eric. 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.016 Sacha Pfeiffer, Eric Macleish. 00:17:38.100 --> 00:17:39.143 Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. 00:17:39.226 --> 00:17:41.228 You don't play golf, do you? 00:17:41.311 --> 00:17:43.272 Uh, no. Good. 00:17:43.355 --> 00:17:44.690 Your colleague here took some money off me 00:17:44.773 --> 00:17:45.941 at a charity event last year. 00:17:46.024 --> 00:17:49.319 It was a very lucky putt. I actually had my eyes closed, by the way. 00:17:49.403 --> 00:17:50.779 Mmm-hmm. (CHUCKLES) 00:17:50.863 --> 00:17:52.698 So, how can I help you guys? 00:17:52.906 --> 00:17:53.907 Uh... 00:17:53.991 --> 00:17:56.201 You're familiar with the Geoghan case? 00:17:56.493 --> 00:17:57.578 Sure. 00:17:57.661 --> 00:18:00.622 Eighty plaintiffs. All of them individual cases. 00:18:00.706 --> 00:18:02.291 Garabedian must be swimming. 00:18:02.666 --> 00:18:06.044 Well. And the allegations against Cardinal Law? 00:18:06.837 --> 00:18:08.380 Yeah, it's tricky. Um... 00:18:09.548 --> 00:18:12.134 This is what you need to understand. These are shitty cases. 00:18:13.218 --> 00:18:15.596 The statute of limitations is only three years, 00:18:15.679 --> 00:18:18.807 and most of these victims don't come forward until long after that. 00:18:19.308 --> 00:18:20.768 Oh. Why is that? 00:18:20.851 --> 00:18:22.519 Well, they're kids, you know. 00:18:22.603 --> 00:18:24.104 Guilt, shame. 00:18:24.188 --> 00:18:25.939 And most of these kids come from tough neighborhoods. 00:18:26.023 --> 00:18:29.026 Nobody wants to admit this kind of thing. 00:18:29.318 --> 00:18:31.403 So, you're screwed on the time limit. 00:18:31.487 --> 00:18:33.113 And, uh, 00:18:33.197 --> 00:18:34.865 even if you argue your way around that 00:18:34.990 --> 00:18:38.202 the charitable immunity statute caps damages at 20 grand. 00:18:39.536 --> 00:18:41.914 Twenty grand for molesting a child? 00:18:43.081 --> 00:18:45.834 That is the way the system is set up. Yes. 00:18:45.918 --> 00:18:48.504 The Church is tough. 00:18:48.587 --> 00:18:50.964 So, your best shot is to try these cases 00:18:51.048 --> 00:18:54.051 in the press like I did on Porter. 00:18:54.176 --> 00:18:56.178 Hmm. But, you know, most of the victims, 00:18:56.261 --> 00:18:57.930 they don't wanna have anything to do with TV. 00:18:58.013 --> 00:18:59.515 And, uh, 00:18:59.598 --> 00:19:03.101 Mitch isn't exactly a people person. 00:19:03.727 --> 00:19:06.313 Yeah, and if Garabedian can't get his victims 00:19:06.396 --> 00:19:08.982 to go before the press, then he's really... 00:19:09.066 --> 00:19:12.152 That's right. He has a long road ahead of him. 00:19:12.236 --> 00:19:15.739 My guess is he doesn't have anything on Law. 00:19:16.865 --> 00:19:18.534 What? You think he's bluffing or... 00:19:18.909 --> 00:19:22.412 I think he's grandstanding to cut a better deal. 00:19:23.539 --> 00:19:24.873 Seems a bit reckless. 00:19:26.166 --> 00:19:28.168 Have you met Mitch Garabedian? 00:19:28.919 --> 00:19:33.090 MITCH: I asked you to write up that motion, Bill. I didn't ask you to file it. 00:19:42.933 --> 00:19:46.228 RECEPTIONIST: Hey, Bill, here's the case files from yesterday. 00:19:55.946 --> 00:19:56.947 Hi. 00:19:58.448 --> 00:20:00.868 Who are you? I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe. 00:20:00.951 --> 00:20:02.244 I had an appointment with you about an hour ago. 00:20:02.327 --> 00:20:04.246 I can't talk to you. I'm very busy. Sharon! 00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:06.456 No, no. She went out for coffee. She said she'd be right back. 00:20:06.540 --> 00:20:08.083 I'm following up on an article. 00:20:09.084 --> 00:20:11.086 The one in the Phoenix? No. In the Globe. 00:20:11.461 --> 00:20:12.821 Did you see the one in the Phoenix? 00:20:13.297 --> 00:20:14.897 No, I didn't. I thought it was very good. 00:20:14.923 --> 00:20:16.133 I have a copy here somewhere. 00:20:16.300 --> 00:20:17.740 That's all right. I'll track it down. 00:20:18.594 --> 00:20:19.887 I'm actually following up on a column 00:20:19.970 --> 00:20:21.805 that Eileen McNamara wrote about your suit. 00:20:21.972 --> 00:20:24.182 Suits. There are 84 of them. 00:20:24.266 --> 00:20:25.392 It's not a class action. 00:20:25.517 --> 00:20:27.997 You should get your facts straight. No, you're right. I should. 00:20:28.562 --> 00:20:30.480 So I'm trying to get some background information on... 00:20:30.564 --> 00:20:32.399 You're not recording this, are you? 00:20:33.025 --> 00:20:34.401 No, I wouldn't do that without asking. 00:20:34.484 --> 00:20:36.820 I can't show you those Church's documents if that's what you're after. 00:20:36.904 --> 00:20:38.071 They're under seal. 00:20:38.655 --> 00:20:39.656 Yeah, I know that. 00:20:40.657 --> 00:20:41.742 Did you know that they tried to bring me up 00:20:41.825 --> 00:20:44.620 before the Massachusetts Board of Bar Overseers three times? 00:20:44.870 --> 00:20:46.204 They're watching me very closely. 00:20:46.288 --> 00:20:48.916 The Church? Yeah. The Church. Yeah. 00:20:48.999 --> 00:20:51.251 They'd like to get me disbarred. In fact, put that away. 00:20:52.461 --> 00:20:53.795 Put it away. Sure. 00:20:53.962 --> 00:20:55.672 I don't want you recording this in any way, shape or form. 00:20:55.797 --> 00:20:57.674 Not on paper, not on tape, nothing. 00:20:57.758 --> 00:21:00.594 In fact, I probably shouldn't even be speaking to you. So... 00:21:00.677 --> 00:21:02.012 Look, Mr. Garabedian, 00:21:02.179 --> 00:21:04.848 I know there's things you cannot tell me, 00:21:05.474 --> 00:21:06.808 but I also know there's a story here. 00:21:06.892 --> 00:21:08.292 And I think it's an important story. 00:21:08.685 --> 00:21:10.145 I already talked to the Phoenix. 00:21:10.228 --> 00:21:11.908 Yeah, and there's a reason I didn't see it. 00:21:12.189 --> 00:21:14.232 Nobody reads the Phoenix anymore. 00:21:14.316 --> 00:21:15.943 They're broke. They don't have any power. 00:21:16.193 --> 00:21:17.527 The Globe does. 00:21:18.362 --> 00:21:20.656 If we cover this story, everybody will hear about it. 00:21:22.658 --> 00:21:25.202 The Church thinks in centuries, Mr. Rezendes. 00:21:25.535 --> 00:21:28.121 Do you think your paper has the resources to take that on? 00:21:28.455 --> 00:21:29.706 Yeah, I do. 00:21:30.457 --> 00:21:32.834 But if you don't mind me asking, 00:21:33.001 --> 00:21:34.002 do you? 00:21:35.212 --> 00:21:38.048 I can't talk to you right now, Mr. Rezendes, I'm very, very busy. 00:21:41.677 --> 00:21:43.679 Sharon? Yeah. Thank you. 00:21:43.845 --> 00:21:46.223 Can I at least talk to some of your clients? The victims? 00:21:46.390 --> 00:21:47.975 I'd really like to do that. 00:21:48.892 --> 00:21:50.352 Call me tomorrow, I gotta think about it. Thank you. 00:21:50.435 --> 00:21:51.436 Thanks. Yeah, yeah. 00:22:44.740 --> 00:22:46.199 I got more clips from the library. 00:22:46.283 --> 00:22:47.743 Leave 'em right there. 00:22:48.410 --> 00:22:50.412 Are you guys doing a story on the Church? 00:22:50.579 --> 00:22:52.789 No, we are not doing a story on the Church. 00:22:53.915 --> 00:22:55.917 Matt, you find anything on this guy, Phil Saviano? 00:22:56.376 --> 00:22:57.961 No. Who is he? 00:22:58.128 --> 00:22:59.629 He's part of a victims' organization. 00:23:00.297 --> 00:23:02.497 Kurkjian did a story on him right after the Porter case. 00:23:02.966 --> 00:23:04.801 There's a victims' organization? 00:23:04.968 --> 00:23:06.595 Yeah, it's called SNAP. 00:23:06.678 --> 00:23:08.805 It's Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. 00:23:09.139 --> 00:23:10.640 Crummy acronym. SACHA: Hmm. 00:23:13.310 --> 00:23:16.146 You want me to track him down? Yeah. Bring him in. 00:23:16.229 --> 00:23:18.315 How much longer you need to get through the clips? 00:23:18.815 --> 00:23:20.817 I mean, a few days. There's a lot. 00:23:20.901 --> 00:23:22.360 Lisa's still sending up more. Okay. 00:23:22.444 --> 00:23:25.655 Hey, guys. I think I got another priest. 00:23:25.864 --> 00:23:29.743 Liam Barrett. Molested some kids in Philly 00:23:30.285 --> 00:23:31.578 and was moved to Boston. 00:23:31.661 --> 00:23:33.914 Did the same thing and was moved again. 00:23:33.997 --> 00:23:35.624 Really? That sounds like Geoghan. 00:23:35.791 --> 00:23:36.917 Is that one of our clips? 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:39.586 Yeah. Byline's Diego Ribadeneira, 1997. 00:23:39.669 --> 00:23:41.509 Must've been back when he was working Religion. 00:23:42.339 --> 00:23:44.758 Was there any folo? Not much. One short piece. 00:23:45.675 --> 00:23:47.886 Huh. The Church settled the case. 00:23:50.597 --> 00:23:52.724 Don't you know Jim Sullivan? 00:23:52.808 --> 00:23:54.851 Yeah. Why? 00:23:54.935 --> 00:23:57.104 Looks like the Church brought him in to help out. 00:24:00.357 --> 00:24:02.234 (CROWD CHEERING) 00:24:05.362 --> 00:24:06.947 Jesus... 00:24:07.030 --> 00:24:09.270 Has anybody but Manny gotten the ball out of the infield? 00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.619 Nope. Why do you even bother with that thing? 00:24:12.702 --> 00:24:14.663 It distracts me from the game. 00:24:14.746 --> 00:24:16.581 Know what else is good for that? 00:24:16.998 --> 00:24:19.918 Oh, yeah. Good idea. My round. I'll be right back. 00:24:20.252 --> 00:24:21.503 Anybody want any food? No. 00:24:21.586 --> 00:24:23.171 I'm all set. Hey, a hot dog. 00:24:25.632 --> 00:24:27.092 So you guys making any progress? 00:24:27.259 --> 00:24:30.262 Absolutely. It's a good story. Why? 00:24:30.595 --> 00:24:32.806 Because you're another lapsed Catholic pissed off at the Church? 00:24:32.973 --> 00:24:34.975 We've got a lot of good stuff. Like what? 00:24:36.601 --> 00:24:38.687 I'm just watching the game. Omertà. 00:24:39.020 --> 00:24:41.273 They got another priest, Liam Barrett. 00:24:41.356 --> 00:24:42.566 We reported on him. 00:24:43.567 --> 00:24:44.860 I'm just saying, we did. Okay, 00:24:44.943 --> 00:24:47.743 but this guy was shuffled around from parish to parish every few years, 00:24:47.821 --> 00:24:48.989 just like Geoghan and Porter. 00:24:49.072 --> 00:24:50.407 I think there's a pattern. 00:24:51.366 --> 00:24:53.743 Sounds thin. What else you got? 00:24:54.119 --> 00:24:57.706 Sacha's got another guy from a victims' organization, Phil Saviano. 00:24:57.789 --> 00:25:00.750 From SNAP? Oh, boy. We reported on him, too. 00:25:00.834 --> 00:25:02.961 I thought you were watching the game, Steve. 00:25:03.044 --> 00:25:04.364 That guy's pretty banged up, Mike. 00:25:04.421 --> 00:25:05.672 We did a couple stories on him. 00:25:05.755 --> 00:25:07.315 That guy would not stop writing letters. 00:25:07.382 --> 00:25:08.717 He wants a holy war. 00:25:08.800 --> 00:25:10.093 What? So he's not worth talking to? 00:25:10.177 --> 00:25:11.428 Where are you on Garabedian? 00:25:11.511 --> 00:25:12.721 I'm working on it. 00:25:12.804 --> 00:25:14.723 Robby said Macleish thinks he's bluffing. 00:25:15.765 --> 00:25:17.017 I think there's something there, Ben. 00:25:17.100 --> 00:25:19.020 Get me something solid, or I'm taking you off it. 00:25:19.352 --> 00:25:21.646 I don't want us chasing our tails on this. 00:25:30.780 --> 00:25:32.657 JIM: Stay away from that trap. 00:25:32.824 --> 00:25:35.035 ROBBY: You couldn't reach that trap in a million years, partner. 00:25:35.202 --> 00:25:37.078 I've reached that trap before. (ROBBY LAUGHS) 00:25:37.245 --> 00:25:39.122 Yeah? Now Paul, maybe. 00:25:40.165 --> 00:25:42.000 JIM: How we doing? ROBBY: We're good. 00:25:42.375 --> 00:25:43.919 We're two up in the front. 00:25:44.085 --> 00:25:45.587 JIM: Good. 00:25:45.754 --> 00:25:47.074 How's that new editor working out? 00:25:47.464 --> 00:25:49.758 Well, he doesn't like baseball. 00:25:49.966 --> 00:25:52.969 But he seems like a smart guy. 00:25:53.678 --> 00:25:55.055 Yeah, I read an article about him. 00:25:55.138 --> 00:25:58.225 Said he's the first Jewish editor at the Globe. 00:25:59.142 --> 00:26:01.394 Must have been a slow news day. 00:26:02.187 --> 00:26:03.521 He got a family, this guy? 00:26:03.688 --> 00:26:05.941 No. He is not married. 00:26:06.191 --> 00:26:08.777 Divorced? I don't think so, no. 00:26:09.361 --> 00:26:12.239 So the new editor of the Globe is an unmarried man of the Jewish faith 00:26:12.322 --> 00:26:14.157 who hates baseball? 00:26:14.616 --> 00:26:16.451 Yeah. Should have given it to Ben. 00:26:16.993 --> 00:26:18.411 He's a Bradlee, for crying out loud. 00:26:18.495 --> 00:26:21.122 ROBBY: Didn't raise his hand fast enough, I guess. 00:26:21.206 --> 00:26:22.332 (SIGHS) 00:26:22.415 --> 00:26:23.583 Hey, by the way, 00:26:23.667 --> 00:26:25.835 I've been reading about this priest, Father Barrett. 00:26:25.919 --> 00:26:27.337 Said you were involved with that. 00:26:27.879 --> 00:26:30.048 Barrett, yeah. Bad egg. 00:26:30.674 --> 00:26:32.274 Lake Street asked for help, I pitched in. 00:26:33.677 --> 00:26:37.347 Victims said Cardinal Law knew about Barrett when he came from Philly. 00:26:37.597 --> 00:26:38.932 Is that true? 00:26:39.015 --> 00:26:41.268 You know I can't talk about the case, Robby. 00:26:43.353 --> 00:26:44.354 Off the record? 00:26:45.230 --> 00:26:47.232 Off the record I can't talk about it. 00:26:47.691 --> 00:26:49.943 All right. This related to the lawsuit? 00:26:50.986 --> 00:26:52.153 You know about that? 00:26:53.405 --> 00:26:54.990 Look, 00:26:55.490 --> 00:26:57.742 I don't know this guy Baron or what his agenda is. 00:26:57.909 --> 00:26:59.494 Frankly, I don't care. 00:27:00.203 --> 00:27:02.455 I just don't want to see you taking a bullet for him. 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.791 I think you're away. 00:27:10.171 --> 00:27:11.798 Put it over here. Let's go. Let's go. 00:27:11.965 --> 00:27:15.802 PRIEST: So the other day I was on the World Wide Web. 00:27:15.969 --> 00:27:18.471 Anything you want to know. It's right there. 00:27:19.639 --> 00:27:21.850 Now, I have to admit that as a priest, 00:27:21.975 --> 00:27:24.144 this makes me a little nervous. 00:27:24.769 --> 00:27:27.355 Should I be worried about job security? 00:27:27.564 --> 00:27:28.898 (ALL LAUGH) 00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:30.400 I don't think so. 00:27:30.817 --> 00:27:33.653 You see, knowledge is one thing, 00:27:34.029 --> 00:27:35.822 but faith... (CHURCH BELL TOLLING) 00:27:35.989 --> 00:27:37.991 Faith is another. 00:27:38.950 --> 00:27:40.994 (PANTING) 00:27:52.964 --> 00:27:54.299 Hey. 00:27:54.674 --> 00:27:55.842 ROBBY: Hey. 00:27:57.552 --> 00:27:59.512 Shouldn't you be golfing or something? 00:28:00.221 --> 00:28:02.015 Golfing's not a verb. 00:28:02.432 --> 00:28:03.933 And I couldn't get a tee time. 00:28:04.434 --> 00:28:06.353 Is that what they call it? "Tee time"? 00:28:06.895 --> 00:28:09.856 They also call it "a leisure activity." You ought to try it, Mike. 00:28:10.023 --> 00:28:13.026 I do. I run. Yeah, you run to work. 00:28:13.818 --> 00:28:15.111 (CHUCKLES) 00:28:16.404 --> 00:28:17.530 So why are you here today? 00:28:18.031 --> 00:28:20.075 Going over these clips of Saviano. 00:28:20.241 --> 00:28:22.619 Yep, Ben and Steve think it's a dead end. 00:28:22.702 --> 00:28:24.662 They gave me a bunch of crap about it at the game. 00:28:24.746 --> 00:28:26.289 Yeah, Ben emailed me. 00:28:26.581 --> 00:28:28.249 He did? Yeah. 00:28:29.084 --> 00:28:30.752 He said we should let it go. 00:28:31.461 --> 00:28:32.629 What do you wanna do? 00:28:33.380 --> 00:28:34.881 I wanna bring Saviano in. 00:28:35.673 --> 00:28:38.093 So, just ignore those guys? 00:28:41.262 --> 00:28:43.807 I think we've got to start ignoring everybody on this one. 00:28:44.432 --> 00:28:45.809 I'm good with that. 00:28:45.892 --> 00:28:47.185 Mmm. 00:28:50.814 --> 00:28:53.775 Do you think Marty has any idea what's coming down the pike? 00:28:54.150 --> 00:28:56.986 Nope. I don't think he cares either. 00:28:57.362 --> 00:28:58.780 That's refreshing. 00:28:58.863 --> 00:29:00.198 Yeah. 00:29:00.407 --> 00:29:01.991 (MIKE CHUCKLES) 00:29:02.450 --> 00:29:04.119 Unless he's wrong. 00:29:22.595 --> 00:29:25.765 CARDINAL LAW: I've always been fascinated with the newspaper business. 00:29:26.433 --> 00:29:28.852 I used to sit in on the lectures with the Nieman fellows 00:29:29.018 --> 00:29:30.437 when I was at Harvard. 00:29:31.688 --> 00:29:34.691 I read that you were an editor once. 00:29:35.567 --> 00:29:36.860 Oh, yes. 00:29:37.402 --> 00:29:39.654 Yeah, that was a very long time ago. 00:29:39.737 --> 00:29:42.157 The Mississippi Register. 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.493 Small, diocesan newspaper. 00:29:46.369 --> 00:29:50.957 But for a 30-year-old pastor, it was a big responsibility. 00:29:52.083 --> 00:29:53.334 Too much at times. 00:29:54.961 --> 00:29:55.962 How so? 00:29:57.964 --> 00:30:00.383 I was close with the Evers brothers. 00:30:00.508 --> 00:30:02.886 We took a stand on civil rights. 00:30:02.969 --> 00:30:05.472 Our readership was not pleased. 00:30:06.097 --> 00:30:08.308 They saw me as a meddling outsider. 00:30:09.934 --> 00:30:11.686 I can imagine. 00:30:11.895 --> 00:30:13.521 Tough seat to sit in, 00:30:13.605 --> 00:30:15.607 especially in a small town. 00:30:16.483 --> 00:30:20.403 I think you'll find that Boston's still a small town, too, Marty, 00:30:20.487 --> 00:30:22.030 in many ways. 00:30:23.406 --> 00:30:27.744 But if I can be of any help, Marty, don't hesitate to ask. 00:30:28.369 --> 00:30:31.206 I find that the city flourishes 00:30:31.372 --> 00:30:33.541 when its great institutions work together. 00:30:35.251 --> 00:30:36.503 Thank you. 00:30:36.586 --> 00:30:39.839 Personally I'm of the opinion that for a paper to best perform its function, 00:30:40.006 --> 00:30:42.884 it really needs to stand alone. 00:30:45.136 --> 00:30:47.222 Ah. Of course. 00:30:48.097 --> 00:30:50.016 But my offer still stands. 00:30:50.725 --> 00:30:52.227 Thank you. 00:30:52.393 --> 00:30:53.394 (KNOCK ON DOOR) 00:30:53.645 --> 00:30:54.812 Come in. 00:30:55.438 --> 00:30:56.689 Ah! 00:30:58.316 --> 00:30:59.651 Thank you, Maureen. 00:31:02.237 --> 00:31:03.988 A little gift, Marty. 00:31:05.281 --> 00:31:09.035 Think of it as a Cardinal's guide to the city of Boston. 00:31:26.344 --> 00:31:28.346 I'm here to see Sacha Pfeiffer. 00:31:28.596 --> 00:31:30.598 Your name? Phil Saviano. 00:31:30.765 --> 00:31:32.517 Okay, just a minute. 00:31:34.018 --> 00:31:36.020 PHIL: So am I the first survivor you've talked to? 00:31:36.187 --> 00:31:37.522 ROBBY: Yeah, Phil. You are. 00:31:37.772 --> 00:31:39.524 Okay, well... 00:31:40.066 --> 00:31:43.236 First of all, let me say thank you for having me in today. 00:31:44.153 --> 00:31:45.321 And I want you to know 00:31:45.405 --> 00:31:48.449 that you have the full cooperation of my organization, SNAP. 00:31:48.533 --> 00:31:50.451 How many members are in your organization, Phil? 00:31:50.868 --> 00:31:52.829 We had 11 at our last chapter meeting... 00:31:52.996 --> 00:31:55.498 Uh, no, 10. Karen just moved. 00:31:56.082 --> 00:31:57.542 You had a woman in your group? 00:31:57.709 --> 00:31:59.252 Of course there was a woman. They don't discriminate, 00:31:59.335 --> 00:32:00.628 not when it comes to abuse. 00:32:00.712 --> 00:32:02.463 And this has nothing to do with being gay. 00:32:02.547 --> 00:32:05.174 What this is, is priests using the collar to rape kids. 00:32:05.758 --> 00:32:07.594 Kids. Boys and girls. 00:32:14.684 --> 00:32:16.561 I was 11, 00:32:16.644 --> 00:32:19.897 and I was preyed upon by Father David Holley in Worcester. 00:32:20.732 --> 00:32:23.151 And I don't mean prayed for. I mean preyed upon. 00:32:25.320 --> 00:32:26.446 Are any of you Catholic? 00:32:26.863 --> 00:32:30.742 I was raised Catholic. Now I go to my wife's Presbyterian church. 00:32:31.868 --> 00:32:33.369 I'm lapsed. 00:32:33.453 --> 00:32:35.213 I go to church with my grandmother sometimes. 00:32:35.580 --> 00:32:39.083 It's safe to say we were all raised Catholic, but now... 00:32:39.167 --> 00:32:40.835 Not so much. 00:32:40.918 --> 00:32:42.920 Okay. Well, let me tell you. 00:32:43.004 --> 00:32:46.591 When you're a poor kid from a poor family, religion counts for a lot. 00:32:46.758 --> 00:32:49.761 And when a priest pays attention to you, it's a big deal. 00:32:50.511 --> 00:32:51.888 He asks you to collect the hymnals 00:32:51.971 --> 00:32:53.931 or take out the trash, you feel special. 00:32:54.140 --> 00:32:56.184 It's like God asking for help. 00:32:56.809 --> 00:32:59.312 So maybe it's a little weird when he tells you a dirty joke, 00:32:59.896 --> 00:33:03.232 but now you got a secret together, so you go along. 00:33:04.108 --> 00:33:07.111 Then he shows you a porno mag, and you go along. 00:33:07.654 --> 00:33:09.822 And you go along, and you go along, 00:33:09.989 --> 00:33:13.242 until one day he asks you to jerk him off or give him a blow job. 00:33:13.326 --> 00:33:14.869 And so you go along with that, too, 00:33:15.036 --> 00:33:16.704 because you feel trapped, 00:33:16.788 --> 00:33:19.207 because he has groomed you. 00:33:19.957 --> 00:33:21.793 How do you say no to God, right? 00:33:22.502 --> 00:33:23.586 See, 00:33:24.712 --> 00:33:27.048 it is important to understand that this is not just physical abuse, 00:33:27.215 --> 00:33:29.050 it's spiritual abuse, too. 00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:33.763 And when a priest does this to you, he robs you of your faith. 00:33:34.806 --> 00:33:36.933 So you reach for the bottle or the needle. 00:33:37.433 --> 00:33:39.560 Or if those don't work, you jump off a bridge. 00:33:39.727 --> 00:33:41.521 That's why we call ourselves survivors. 00:33:41.688 --> 00:33:42.814 Have you read Jason Berry's book? 00:33:42.897 --> 00:33:44.816 He wrote about the Gauthe case in Louisiana? 00:33:44.982 --> 00:33:47.068 Uh, that's "G"... G-A-U-T-H-E. 00:33:47.151 --> 00:33:49.112 Here. And talk to Richard Sipe. 00:33:49.195 --> 00:33:51.572 He worked in one of the Church's treatment centers. 00:33:51.656 --> 00:33:53.574 He's an ex-priest, 00:33:53.658 --> 00:33:55.159 married a nun. 00:33:55.660 --> 00:33:56.744 Here. 00:33:57.036 --> 00:33:58.663 This is his testimony from the Kos case. 00:33:58.746 --> 00:34:00.248 Uh, Phil, what's a treatment center? 00:34:00.748 --> 00:34:02.250 It's where they send priests when they get caught. 00:34:02.333 --> 00:34:03.793 This is all right here in the box, 00:34:03.876 --> 00:34:05.628 I sent this all to you guys five years ago. 00:34:06.254 --> 00:34:09.090 Uh, to the Globe? Who did you send it to? 00:34:11.551 --> 00:34:14.151 I don't wanna say who, but they said that they weren't interested. 00:34:14.262 --> 00:34:16.347 Uh, but Phil, we did run a couple of stories on you. 00:34:16.431 --> 00:34:17.724 I saw them in the clips. 00:34:17.807 --> 00:34:20.184 Yeah, but to be completely frank, it wasn't enough. 00:34:22.061 --> 00:34:24.939 You guys gotta understand, 00:34:25.022 --> 00:34:26.107 this is big. 00:34:26.190 --> 00:34:30.194 This is not just Boston. It's the whole country. It's the whole world. 00:34:30.278 --> 00:34:32.029 And it goes right up to the Vatican. 00:34:32.780 --> 00:34:34.282 Do you have any proof of that, Phil? 00:34:34.532 --> 00:34:37.285 No, not yet. But think about it, there are so many of them. 00:34:37.452 --> 00:34:39.292 How else could they have hidden it for so long? 00:34:39.579 --> 00:34:41.414 So many what? Priests! 00:34:42.290 --> 00:34:43.791 Priests! 00:34:44.333 --> 00:34:46.461 I know of 13 right here in Boston. 00:34:47.170 --> 00:34:50.214 You know 13 priests in Boston who have molested children? 00:34:50.381 --> 00:34:52.675 Yeah, why do you keep repeating everything I say? 00:34:53.301 --> 00:34:55.261 I just like to clarify things. 00:34:55.344 --> 00:34:56.971 Maybe you should have clarified it five years ago 00:34:57.054 --> 00:34:58.765 when I sent you all of this stuff! 00:34:58.848 --> 00:35:01.017 It's all right here! 00:35:04.353 --> 00:35:05.521 (SIGHS) 00:35:09.984 --> 00:35:11.778 May I use your bathroom? 00:35:11.861 --> 00:35:13.362 Yeah, sure, Phil. 00:35:13.446 --> 00:35:14.822 Come on. 00:35:21.245 --> 00:35:23.247 Well, what do you think? 00:35:24.373 --> 00:35:26.542 Well, the guy, he's got an agenda, that's for sure. 00:35:26.626 --> 00:35:28.169 You think? He's obviously been through a lot. 00:35:28.336 --> 00:35:30.421 But he's smart, and if he's right about 13 priests... 00:35:30.588 --> 00:35:32.381 Yeah, it might be a big "if" with this guy. 00:35:32.465 --> 00:35:33.841 Do a background check on him, 00:35:34.008 --> 00:35:36.093 and follow up with some of the other survivors of his group. 00:35:36.260 --> 00:35:38.846 I'll track down this ex-priest, Sipe. 00:35:38.930 --> 00:35:40.970 Okay, but stay on Garabedian. That's more important. 00:35:41.224 --> 00:35:43.267 (SCOFFS) Garabedian, what a pain in the ass. 00:35:43.601 --> 00:35:45.102 You can be a pain in the ass, Mike. 00:35:46.312 --> 00:35:47.313 Mmm. 00:35:51.067 --> 00:35:53.402 (BELL TOLLING IN DISTANCE) 00:35:58.783 --> 00:36:00.827 Mitchell, what a surprise. How are you? 00:36:00.910 --> 00:36:02.870 I'm fine, Mr. Rezendes. Good. 00:36:02.954 --> 00:36:05.373 You know, I haven't heard back from you. I left you a couple of messages. 00:36:05.456 --> 00:36:07.458 I know. I've been very busy. I don't have time for calls. 00:36:07.542 --> 00:36:08.662 Oh, jeez, I'm sure you don't. 00:36:08.709 --> 00:36:11.712 Listen, listen, Mitch, let me talk to a couple of the victims. 00:36:11.796 --> 00:36:13.116 You could sit in on the interview, 00:36:13.172 --> 00:36:14.423 and if you're not happy, you could kill it. 00:36:14.507 --> 00:36:17.387 I spoke to my clients, and they don't want to be in the press. I'm sorry. 00:36:17.426 --> 00:36:20.096 I get that, but I don't need to name names. (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 00:36:20.221 --> 00:36:21.889 I don't believe you, Mr. Rezendes. I'm sure you don't. 00:36:22.056 --> 00:36:23.558 I don't. Listen, Mitchell. 00:36:23.641 --> 00:36:25.059 Look, Mr. Rezendes, please... 00:36:25.184 --> 00:36:26.602 I'm not writing a profile here. 00:36:26.769 --> 00:36:28.771 I'm working on something bigger. Bigger? 00:36:28.938 --> 00:36:30.231 I don't know what that means. 00:36:30.398 --> 00:36:31.482 I'm not supposed to tell you this, 00:36:31.566 --> 00:36:33.276 but I'm digging around for Spotlight. 00:36:35.236 --> 00:36:36.946 Spotlight's on this? Yeah, we're looking into it, 00:36:37.113 --> 00:36:38.614 but you gotta help me. 00:36:38.823 --> 00:36:41.117 You gotta let me talk to some of these victims, please. 00:36:44.620 --> 00:36:45.913 Please. 00:36:46.998 --> 00:36:48.249 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 00:36:49.166 --> 00:36:51.002 Come back tomorrow. 9:30 a.m. 00:36:51.836 --> 00:36:53.296 Thank you. 00:37:05.975 --> 00:37:07.435 Ms. Pfeiffer? Joe? 00:37:07.518 --> 00:37:08.686 Hi. Oh, shoot. 00:37:08.769 --> 00:37:09.854 Oh, that's okay. Sorry. 00:37:09.937 --> 00:37:11.022 No, no problem. Please sit. 00:37:11.105 --> 00:37:12.231 Thank you. 00:37:12.315 --> 00:37:13.858 Is this table okay? 00:37:13.941 --> 00:37:15.484 This is perfect. 00:37:15.818 --> 00:37:17.820 I had a muffin while I was waiting. 00:37:18.154 --> 00:37:19.822 Two, actually. 00:37:20.323 --> 00:37:22.950 I eat when I'm nervous. I do that, too, actually. 00:37:23.826 --> 00:37:26.829 I hope I'm not late. Phil told me 1:00. 00:37:27.330 --> 00:37:30.124 No, you're fine. I got here early. 00:37:30.333 --> 00:37:31.542 About an hour. 00:37:31.667 --> 00:37:32.960 (BOTH LAUGHING) 00:37:34.128 --> 00:37:37.298 Um, would you mind if I took some notes? Would that be all right? 00:37:42.553 --> 00:37:44.680 MIKE: You don't mind if I take some notes, do you? 00:37:45.181 --> 00:37:47.183 Are you going to use my name? MITCH: No. 00:37:48.684 --> 00:37:50.770 Not if you don't want me to. No. 00:37:50.853 --> 00:37:52.897 I just had a kid. 00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.900 He's only one, but I'm not sure I want him to know about this. 00:37:56.359 --> 00:37:57.610 Sure. I get that. 00:37:57.693 --> 00:37:59.987 You can stop this interview at any time, Patrick. 00:38:00.321 --> 00:38:02.031 All right? Okay. 00:38:03.741 --> 00:38:04.825 (SIGHS) 00:38:04.909 --> 00:38:06.369 Go ahead with your notes. 00:38:06.869 --> 00:38:08.245 Okay. So, um... 00:38:10.706 --> 00:38:12.541 Where'd you live when it first happened? 00:38:13.376 --> 00:38:15.586 In the projects, over in Hyde Park. 00:38:16.170 --> 00:38:17.421 Over by the Stop & Shop? 00:38:18.339 --> 00:38:20.174 Yeah, you know it? 00:38:20.758 --> 00:38:22.843 Yeah, I drove a cab for a few years. 00:38:22.927 --> 00:38:24.553 Open early. Bad coffee, right? 00:38:25.388 --> 00:38:26.889 Yeah, I guess. 00:38:28.724 --> 00:38:30.726 MIKE: How old were you when it happened? 00:38:31.268 --> 00:38:32.603 I was 12. 00:38:34.063 --> 00:38:35.898 Just after my dad killed himself. 00:38:36.691 --> 00:38:37.984 Ah, jeez. 00:38:38.150 --> 00:38:39.986 He was a real piece of shit. 00:38:40.403 --> 00:38:42.738 And my mom, she wasn't so stable either. 00:38:43.364 --> 00:38:45.157 How do you mean? I mean, she was nuts. 00:38:45.241 --> 00:38:48.327 She was a schizophrenic. Same shit. 00:38:51.080 --> 00:38:52.540 When did you first meet Geoghan? 00:38:53.958 --> 00:38:56.085 (SIGHS) Well, my sister, 00:38:56.168 --> 00:38:58.170 she saw him over in the Dunkin' Donuts. 00:38:58.754 --> 00:39:01.549 Tells him about my old man passing, and he rushed right over. 00:39:01.757 --> 00:39:03.092 And there was this nun, Sister Barbara, 00:39:03.175 --> 00:39:05.678 and she ran this group for kids from troubled families. 00:39:05.928 --> 00:39:06.929 Mmm-hmm. 00:39:07.096 --> 00:39:08.514 Where was that? 00:39:08.723 --> 00:39:11.100 St. Ambrose in Dorchester. Okay. 00:39:12.268 --> 00:39:14.562 She's the one who introduced me to Father Shanley. 00:39:16.188 --> 00:39:17.773 He was a street priest. 00:39:18.274 --> 00:39:20.276 Long hair. Very hip. 00:39:21.777 --> 00:39:23.738 He invited me to his apartment in Back Bay. 00:39:23.904 --> 00:39:26.115 Where in Back Bay? Beacon Street. 00:39:26.907 --> 00:39:27.992 Beacon. Okay. 00:39:28.075 --> 00:39:29.118 Are you from here? 00:39:30.036 --> 00:39:32.872 Uh, no. I grew up in Ohio, but my mom's from Southie. 00:39:32.955 --> 00:39:36.250 Okay, so you get it. I'd never even seen Back Bay. 00:39:38.044 --> 00:39:40.629 So what happened on that first visit, Joe? 00:39:41.630 --> 00:39:43.716 Well, he was very nice at first, 00:39:43.799 --> 00:39:45.468 very funny, very casual. 00:39:46.802 --> 00:39:48.804 And I think he could tell I was gay, 00:39:49.764 --> 00:39:53.434 so he showed me this mobile he had, like, over a baby's crib? 00:39:53.517 --> 00:39:54.560 Mmm-hmm. 00:39:54.643 --> 00:39:56.062 But with different words. 00:39:56.645 --> 00:39:59.648 "Homosexual, transsexual, bisexual." 00:39:59.732 --> 00:40:02.568 Okay, and did you know you were gay at that time, Joe? 00:40:02.818 --> 00:40:04.570 (CHUCKLES) Yeah. 00:40:04.653 --> 00:40:06.614 But that wasn't information I was sharing with anybody. 00:40:06.781 --> 00:40:08.074 Not in Dorchester. 00:40:09.325 --> 00:40:10.701 Okay. 00:40:10.785 --> 00:40:13.746 So, what happened after he showed you the mobile? 00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:15.581 Well, I was a little freaked out. 00:40:15.664 --> 00:40:16.791 Mmm-hmm. 00:40:16.957 --> 00:40:18.334 I think he could tell, 00:40:19.668 --> 00:40:22.838 so he said, "You know what'll help is if we play strip poker." 00:40:24.799 --> 00:40:26.509 Course I lost. 00:40:27.968 --> 00:40:29.845 And, uh, things went on from there. 00:40:31.180 --> 00:40:33.182 Can you tell me specifically what happened? 00:40:34.975 --> 00:40:36.602 Specifically, he... 00:40:37.186 --> 00:40:38.854 He molested me. 00:40:42.316 --> 00:40:45.986 Joe, I think that the language is going to be so important here. 00:40:46.445 --> 00:40:49.657 We can't sanitize this. Just saying "molest" isn't enough. 00:40:49.824 --> 00:40:52.618 People need to know what actually happened. 00:40:55.871 --> 00:40:58.249 We should probably get these to go. (CLEARS THROAT) Right. 00:40:58.541 --> 00:41:01.877 Geoghan shows up, and my mom, you know, she's... 00:41:02.044 --> 00:41:04.463 She's thrilled. I mean... 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:06.882 This was like God showing up, you know? 00:41:07.133 --> 00:41:08.467 Sure. Right. 00:41:08.551 --> 00:41:09.760 So what happened then? 00:41:10.761 --> 00:41:12.138 (SNIFFLES) 00:41:12.888 --> 00:41:14.306 You really want to hear this shit? 00:41:14.890 --> 00:41:16.559 Yeah. Yeah, Patrick, I do. 00:41:21.522 --> 00:41:23.065 (SIGHS) 00:41:25.025 --> 00:41:27.027 He offers to take me to get ice cream. 00:41:27.403 --> 00:41:30.406 And, you know, he's a priest. I'm a kid, so I go. 00:41:31.323 --> 00:41:34.577 MIKE: Sure. So we're driving home and he... 00:41:37.538 --> 00:41:39.373 He starts patting my leg, 00:41:41.542 --> 00:41:43.919 you know, then 00:41:44.420 --> 00:41:49.425 his hand just slides right up, and he grabs my dick. 00:41:50.259 --> 00:41:54.722 You know, I just froze up. I was fucking petrified, I couldn't move. 00:41:55.931 --> 00:41:57.933 I didn't know what to do. I was just a little kid. 00:42:00.436 --> 00:42:01.437 Yeah. 00:42:06.233 --> 00:42:08.444 You know, I never even touched my ice cream. 00:42:08.861 --> 00:42:10.696 It just melted down my arm. 00:42:17.620 --> 00:42:18.954 Did you, um... 00:42:20.372 --> 00:42:21.874 Did you see him again after that? 00:42:27.922 --> 00:42:29.089 Yeah. 00:42:32.635 --> 00:42:35.137 MITCH: All right. That's good. Let's stop there for now. 00:42:36.305 --> 00:42:37.473 MIKE: Sure. 00:42:37.806 --> 00:42:40.768 He said it was a way to make me more comfortable with my body. 00:42:40.851 --> 00:42:41.852 Mmm. 00:42:42.311 --> 00:42:43.562 So what happened after that? 00:42:44.438 --> 00:42:46.398 Well, he took off his clothes, and he said, 00:42:46.482 --> 00:42:47.942 "I've been so depressed, 00:42:48.025 --> 00:42:50.277 "but maybe you can cheer me up and give me a blow job." 00:42:50.653 --> 00:42:52.154 (SCOFFS) Classy guy. 00:42:54.323 --> 00:42:56.033 And did you? Yeah. 00:42:57.368 --> 00:43:00.621 I know what you must be thinking, like, why would I ever do that 00:43:00.704 --> 00:43:03.540 to some creepy guy who's 30 years older than me, but... 00:43:03.791 --> 00:43:06.794 What you have to understand is that this is the first time in my life 00:43:06.877 --> 00:43:09.421 that someone told me that it was okay to be gay. Mmm-hmm. 00:43:09.505 --> 00:43:11.507 And it was a priest. Right. 00:43:12.841 --> 00:43:16.011 So you had oral sex. Did you have intercourse? 00:43:17.137 --> 00:43:18.514 Yes. 00:43:18.597 --> 00:43:20.182 Not then, but later. 00:43:21.934 --> 00:43:24.019 (SIGHS) It really messed me up. 00:43:25.437 --> 00:43:28.148 I'm sober now, but that... That was the beginning of it all. 00:43:31.068 --> 00:43:32.820 It's very confusing, you know, 00:43:33.946 --> 00:43:36.240 to be introduced to sex like that and then... 00:43:37.074 --> 00:43:39.076 And then to be attracted to men, it's... 00:43:41.704 --> 00:43:42.746 (SOBBING) 00:43:42.830 --> 00:43:44.873 I'm sorry. I knew I was gonna do this. 00:43:44.957 --> 00:43:46.834 Oh, I'm sorry. Don't be sorry. 00:43:46.917 --> 00:43:48.836 It's okay, Joe. It's okay. 00:43:49.003 --> 00:43:50.963 Of course there is a church right there. 00:43:51.588 --> 00:43:53.173 And a playground. 00:43:53.924 --> 00:43:55.926 Joe, did you ever try and tell anyone? 00:43:56.468 --> 00:43:58.304 Like who? A priest? 00:43:59.722 --> 00:44:01.682 PATRICK: Can I use your phone? 00:44:01.765 --> 00:44:03.267 Yeah, sure. You know where it is. 00:44:04.476 --> 00:44:06.353 You can use my name if you want. 00:44:07.313 --> 00:44:08.814 Thanks, Patrick. 00:44:09.356 --> 00:44:11.775 Don't thank me, just get these assholes, will you? 00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:20.242 He's one of the lucky ones. 00:44:21.368 --> 00:44:23.454 He's still alive. 00:44:31.253 --> 00:44:32.921 Do you want a cup of tea, Sacha? 00:44:33.088 --> 00:44:34.840 I'm okay, Nana. Thanks. Okay. 00:44:38.135 --> 00:44:39.845 JOE: Hello. Hi, Joe, it's Sacha Pfeiffer. 00:44:40.012 --> 00:44:43.265 Hi, Sacha. How are you? I'm good, thanks. 00:44:43.349 --> 00:44:46.185 Listen, Joe, I just wanted to follow up on one thing. 00:44:46.643 --> 00:44:48.771 You talked to Phil Saviano about all of this, right? 00:44:48.937 --> 00:44:51.565 Yeah, I did. I went to a couple of SNAP meetings. 00:44:51.648 --> 00:44:54.485 And did Phil ever suggest you do anything about it? 00:44:54.735 --> 00:44:55.819 No. 00:44:55.903 --> 00:44:57.446 The meetings weren't really about that. 00:44:57.613 --> 00:44:59.031 I mean, a couple of them had gone to a lawyer, 00:44:59.114 --> 00:45:01.158 but I didn't think it was worth it. 00:45:01.325 --> 00:45:02.451 Why not? 00:45:02.618 --> 00:45:04.258 There were just so many forms to fill out. 00:45:04.286 --> 00:45:05.704 It was overwhelming, you know. 00:45:05.788 --> 00:45:08.123 And he said it could only get me a small settlement, so... 00:45:08.290 --> 00:45:10.709 Who, who said that? The lawyer told me that. 00:45:11.794 --> 00:45:14.171 So you did go and see a lawyer? 00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:17.049 Yeah, but I didn't end up using him, 00:45:17.132 --> 00:45:19.009 so I didn't think it was important. 00:45:19.176 --> 00:45:21.261 I'm sorry. I'm not trying to hide anything. 00:45:21.428 --> 00:45:23.013 No, I know, Joe. 00:45:23.222 --> 00:45:25.224 Do remember his name? The lawyer? 00:45:25.724 --> 00:45:28.310 No, but maybe Phil would know. 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.021 The guy was on TV a lot during the Porter case. 00:45:31.313 --> 00:45:32.564 He was handsome. 00:45:32.981 --> 00:45:34.358 Was it Eric Macleish? 00:45:34.441 --> 00:45:36.318 Yeah, that's it. Macleish. 00:45:36.944 --> 00:45:38.821 I thought he was very handsome. 00:45:39.238 --> 00:45:41.198 (COPIER WHIRRING) 00:45:41.907 --> 00:45:43.450 Hey. Hey. 00:45:43.534 --> 00:45:46.537 I was just in the newsroom. Judge Sweeney set a date for the hearing. 00:45:47.287 --> 00:45:48.539 Really? When? 00:45:48.664 --> 00:45:49.915 Two weeks, in Springfield. 00:45:50.624 --> 00:45:52.626 Canellos started a pool. Ten bucks to get in. 00:45:53.168 --> 00:45:54.968 Anyone picking the Globe? (CELL PHONE RINGING) 00:45:55.170 --> 00:45:57.589 He's only taking bets on how fast Sweeney rules against us. 00:45:58.132 --> 00:45:59.174 (LAUGHS) 00:45:59.466 --> 00:46:01.051 Robby. SACHA: Hi, it's me. 00:46:01.218 --> 00:46:02.553 Did you get my message? I did. 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:04.888 Looks like Father Shanley could be our fourth priest. 00:46:05.055 --> 00:46:06.390 Yeah, I think he is. 00:46:06.557 --> 00:46:08.183 Did you follow up with Macleish? 00:46:08.350 --> 00:46:09.435 I just talked to Phil. 00:46:09.518 --> 00:46:11.645 He said Macleish dealt with a number of these cases. 00:46:11.728 --> 00:46:14.273 Guess he forgot to mention that. Yeah. 00:46:14.356 --> 00:46:15.774 I'm gonna go to the courthouse tomorrow, 00:46:15.858 --> 00:46:18.777 see if I can find any cases he settled against the Church. 00:46:18.861 --> 00:46:21.113 All right. Call me after you do. Good night. 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:22.948 Okay, good night. 00:46:25.617 --> 00:46:26.869 ROBBY: Hey. 00:46:26.952 --> 00:46:28.287 You wanted to chat? 00:46:28.454 --> 00:46:30.456 Yeah, I'm late for a dinner. You wanna walk me out? 00:46:30.539 --> 00:46:31.915 Sure. 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.209 Jeez. 00:46:34.251 --> 00:46:36.628 Does this guy ever go home? Apparently not. 00:46:36.712 --> 00:46:38.422 I got guys who won't leave till he does. 00:46:38.547 --> 00:46:40.507 He's wearing out the goddamn newsroom. (CHUCKLES) 00:46:40.716 --> 00:46:42.092 Where are we on Geoghan? 00:46:42.342 --> 00:46:44.178 Following up on more victims. 00:46:44.720 --> 00:46:46.513 Hey, I want to expand the investigation. 00:46:46.680 --> 00:46:48.640 Why? We got a fourth priest. 00:46:48.807 --> 00:46:50.642 There might be as many as 13. 00:46:50.809 --> 00:46:52.311 Thirteen? Yeah. 00:46:52.895 --> 00:46:54.897 Who's your source? Phil Saviano. 00:46:55.439 --> 00:46:58.066 Oh, Jesus Christ, Robby, I told Mike... I know, I know... 00:46:58.233 --> 00:47:00.486 I think Saviano might be legit, Ben. 00:47:01.987 --> 00:47:03.363 You wanna elaborate on that? 00:47:03.530 --> 00:47:05.365 No. Not really. 00:47:06.074 --> 00:47:09.077 It just feels like this thing's stacking up. It's my gut. 00:47:10.662 --> 00:47:11.663 (SIGHS) 00:47:12.456 --> 00:47:14.458 Okay. Okay. Good. 00:47:14.625 --> 00:47:15.626 Thank you. 00:47:21.590 --> 00:47:23.091 (PHONE RINGING) 00:47:25.260 --> 00:47:26.553 Hello? 00:47:26.637 --> 00:47:29.556 SIPE: Mr. Rezendes? Uh, yeah. Who's this? 00:47:29.723 --> 00:47:31.308 It's Richard Sipe. 00:47:31.642 --> 00:47:34.603 Oh, yeah. Hey, Richard, how are you? I'm good. 00:47:34.770 --> 00:47:36.605 Uh, thanks for calling. Look... 00:47:36.772 --> 00:47:38.732 Phil Saviano gave me your name. 00:47:38.899 --> 00:47:40.984 I was wondering if I can ask you a few questions. 00:47:41.068 --> 00:47:43.070 Of course. Yeah. Great. 00:47:43.237 --> 00:47:45.280 So, Phil told me that you were working 00:47:45.364 --> 00:47:48.450 at one of the Church's treatment centers in Baltimore? 00:47:48.742 --> 00:47:51.411 Yes. The Seton Psychiatric Institute. 00:47:51.620 --> 00:47:53.330 It was run by the Daughters of Charity. 00:47:53.497 --> 00:47:56.500 And, uh, when was that, Richard? 00:47:57.125 --> 00:48:01.380 Well, I started my psychotherapy fellowship there in 1965, 00:48:02.047 --> 00:48:03.247 and I was there for five years, 00:48:03.298 --> 00:48:07.469 but I spent the next 30 studying abusive priests and their victims. 00:48:07.636 --> 00:48:08.887 Really? Mmm-hmm. 00:48:08.971 --> 00:48:11.056 And that's been your sole focus? 00:48:11.848 --> 00:48:12.933 Look, Mike, 00:48:13.016 --> 00:48:16.353 the Church wants us to believe that it's just a few bad apples. 00:48:16.436 --> 00:48:18.036 But it's a much bigger problem than that. 00:48:18.105 --> 00:48:19.731 How much bigger, Richard? 00:48:19.898 --> 00:48:21.775 Well, based on the research, 00:48:21.942 --> 00:48:25.445 I would classify it as a recognizable psychiatric phenomenon. 00:48:26.655 --> 00:48:27.990 That's big. 00:48:33.537 --> 00:48:34.913 Hey, Mac. Hey. 00:48:34.997 --> 00:48:37.082 If I wanted historical data on a priest, 00:48:37.165 --> 00:48:38.542 parishes he'd been assigned to, 00:48:38.625 --> 00:48:39.793 where would I find that? 00:48:39.876 --> 00:48:42.596 The Geoghan case? It's all in the clips. Lisa has the source material. 00:48:42.629 --> 00:48:44.089 Yeah, what if it was for another priest? 00:48:44.172 --> 00:48:45.591 One that hadn't been in the papers. 00:48:45.674 --> 00:48:47.926 You're looking at another priest? Who're you looking at? 00:48:48.844 --> 00:48:50.137 Any ideas? 00:48:50.220 --> 00:48:52.060 Oh, come on, Matt, you're not going to tell me? 00:48:53.056 --> 00:48:54.683 I gotta get to a meeting. Thanks, Mac. 00:48:54.766 --> 00:48:56.101 Hey, Steve. 00:48:57.436 --> 00:48:59.479 LISA: The archdiocese puts out an annual directory. 00:48:59.646 --> 00:49:01.815 Every priest and parish. That's great. 00:49:02.274 --> 00:49:04.484 Do these go back any further than '98? 00:49:04.651 --> 00:49:06.445 Oh, yeah. Going back to the '80s in the mez. 00:49:06.612 --> 00:49:08.405 Beyond that you gotta go to the BPL. 00:49:08.488 --> 00:49:10.574 In the mez, huh? Thanks, Lisa. You bet. 00:49:12.242 --> 00:49:14.828 He said they all target the same kind of kid. 00:49:14.911 --> 00:49:18.415 Low-income families, absentee fathers, broken homes. 00:49:18.498 --> 00:49:21.585 So a guy like Geoghan goes after boys not because he prefers them, 00:49:21.752 --> 00:49:23.378 but because they have more shame. 00:49:23.462 --> 00:49:24.546 Less likely to talk. 00:49:26.131 --> 00:49:28.008 These guys are predators, Robby. 00:49:28.091 --> 00:49:30.385 And I talked to Sipe. He said he'd seen dozens of them 00:49:30.469 --> 00:49:31.845 in the '60s in Seton. 00:49:32.387 --> 00:49:33.680 He called it a "phenomenon." 00:49:33.764 --> 00:49:35.557 Why didn't he go public? He did, 00:49:35.641 --> 00:49:37.643 but the Church made a huge effort to discredit him. 00:49:37.809 --> 00:49:41.521 Smear campaigns, public statements by prominent bishops. 00:49:41.605 --> 00:49:44.316 It's just like Saviano said, and Garabedian. 00:49:44.483 --> 00:49:46.026 You getting anywhere with him? 00:49:46.193 --> 00:49:48.570 More victims. More victims. 00:49:48.737 --> 00:49:50.497 You can't empty his pockets? I'll get to him. 00:49:50.614 --> 00:49:52.616 I just need more time. Oh, come on, Mike. 00:49:52.824 --> 00:49:54.660 You gotta get him. I'll get him, I'll get him. 00:49:58.288 --> 00:49:59.790 Jesus. What the hell is that smell? 00:49:59.873 --> 00:50:01.708 There's a dead rat in the corner. 00:50:02.501 --> 00:50:04.294 What have you got? Church directories. 00:50:04.461 --> 00:50:06.505 It's every priest in Massachusetts. 00:50:06.588 --> 00:50:08.173 What parish they're assigned to. 00:50:08.256 --> 00:50:09.257 MIKE: Are these official? Yeah. 00:50:09.341 --> 00:50:10.425 I figured it could help us track down 00:50:10.509 --> 00:50:12.219 some of the priests that Saviano mentioned. 00:50:12.302 --> 00:50:13.512 Maybe find some more victims. 00:50:13.595 --> 00:50:15.764 Can we turn on some more lights? I couldn't find the switch. 00:50:15.889 --> 00:50:17.929 You wanna borrow my glasses? No, I'm good. I'm good. 00:50:17.974 --> 00:50:22.646 Look, 1983. John Geoghan, St. Brendan Parish, Dorchester. 00:50:22.729 --> 00:50:25.148 So we can find out where any priest is in any given year? 00:50:25.232 --> 00:50:27.484 Yeah, I got him here at... 00:50:27.943 --> 00:50:28.944 Huh. 00:50:29.486 --> 00:50:30.654 What? 00:50:30.737 --> 00:50:33.907 1980, the year Geoghan was pulled from JP. It says he's on sick leave. 00:50:33.990 --> 00:50:35.742 Come on. It really says that? 00:50:36.993 --> 00:50:39.204 Where is, uh, 1991? 00:50:40.831 --> 00:50:42.499 Here ya go. Let me see this. 00:50:42.582 --> 00:50:43.834 Barrett. Barrett. Liam. 00:50:44.042 --> 00:50:46.420 I can't read that. Look for a Liam Barrett in there. 00:50:46.586 --> 00:50:49.339 1991's the year they pulled him out of Charlestown. 00:50:51.842 --> 00:50:53.427 Barrett, Liam. 00:50:55.095 --> 00:50:56.346 Yeah. "Sick leave." 00:50:56.930 --> 00:50:58.682 It's an official designation. 00:51:00.392 --> 00:51:02.477 Let's get these upstairs. (CELL PHONE RINGING) 00:51:02.561 --> 00:51:04.813 And, Matt, check on those priests Saviano gave us. 00:51:04.980 --> 00:51:07.149 Robby. Yeah. SACHA: Hey, I'm down at the courthouse. 00:51:07.858 --> 00:51:10.777 Something's not right here. Nothing on Shanley either, Sacha. 00:51:10.986 --> 00:51:12.487 Okay, thanks. 00:51:12.654 --> 00:51:14.334 Yeah, we need to go talk to Macleish again. 00:51:14.489 --> 00:51:17.075 Really, why? Huh? There's nothing here. 00:51:17.617 --> 00:51:19.457 There aren't any records, I checked every name. 00:51:24.583 --> 00:51:26.623 Thanks for waiting. So sorry, guys. Stuck on a call. 00:51:26.710 --> 00:51:28.545 ROBBY: Not a problem. How are you? Good. 00:51:28.628 --> 00:51:30.508 Thanks for meeting us. You bet. What's up, guys? 00:51:31.506 --> 00:51:34.551 Mr. Macleish, are you familiar with a priest named Paul Shanley? 00:51:35.260 --> 00:51:36.845 Yes, I am familiar with him. 00:51:38.638 --> 00:51:40.640 And have you settled cases against Father Shanley? 00:51:41.975 --> 00:51:46.313 As I'm sure you can understand, I can't discuss that with you. 00:51:46.897 --> 00:51:50.442 How about, uh, Father Ronald Paquin? 00:51:51.109 --> 00:51:53.695 Well, I can't discuss that with you either. Come on, guys. 00:51:55.572 --> 00:51:58.116 We understand you've settled several cases against each of them. 00:51:58.784 --> 00:52:01.286 Even if I'd been involved in those cases, 00:52:01.369 --> 00:52:02.954 the settlements would be confidential, 00:52:03.121 --> 00:52:06.082 and I could be disbarred for acknowledging their existence. 00:52:06.958 --> 00:52:08.710 Okay? Mmm-hmm. 00:52:09.211 --> 00:52:11.046 Look, I told you guys, these are tough cases. 00:52:12.631 --> 00:52:15.717 Most of these folks, they just want some acknowledgment 00:52:16.301 --> 00:52:17.552 of what happened. 00:52:17.677 --> 00:52:20.013 We got 'em a sit-down with the bishop and a little dough, 00:52:20.180 --> 00:52:21.973 and that's the best they could hope for. 00:52:22.557 --> 00:52:26.353 Well, it's certainly the best the priests could hope for. 00:52:27.521 --> 00:52:30.398 No, the Church promised they'd take the priests out of circulation. 00:52:30.732 --> 00:52:32.901 And did you follow up on that? 00:52:37.113 --> 00:52:38.156 (CHUCKLES) 00:52:38.240 --> 00:52:39.908 Do you guys need anything else? 00:52:40.075 --> 00:52:42.494 Yes. Why aren't there any records? 00:52:42.869 --> 00:52:43.995 I was down at the courthouse earlier. 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.248 There aren't any records of any of these settlements. 00:52:49.459 --> 00:52:51.253 We dealt directly with the Church. 00:52:52.754 --> 00:52:56.258 We would draw up a demand letter and send it to the chancery. 00:52:57.717 --> 00:52:59.344 You never filed anything in court? 00:52:59.636 --> 00:53:01.221 It's a private mediation. 00:53:01.388 --> 00:53:06.101 So, this is just you and the archdiocese's lawyers 00:53:06.768 --> 00:53:07.894 in a room? 00:53:08.603 --> 00:53:09.604 Correct. 00:53:10.272 --> 00:53:11.273 Anyone else? 00:53:11.690 --> 00:53:14.776 Occasionally, the Church would bring in another defense attorney to help out. 00:53:15.527 --> 00:53:16.820 You have names? 00:53:16.945 --> 00:53:18.238 Nope. 00:53:19.030 --> 00:53:20.282 No, I don't. 00:53:21.366 --> 00:53:22.868 So this was all under the table? 00:53:22.951 --> 00:53:24.452 There's no paper trail. At all. 00:53:24.953 --> 00:53:26.955 The victim has to sign a confidentiality agreement 00:53:27.038 --> 00:53:28.164 to get the settlement. 00:53:28.248 --> 00:53:30.876 The lawyer takes a third and the Church sweeps it under the rug. 00:53:30.959 --> 00:53:32.544 Jeez, it's a freakin' racket. 00:53:32.627 --> 00:53:34.129 BEN: It's more complicated than that. 00:53:34.254 --> 00:53:37.090 Macleish's got a duty to the client to get the best deal he can. 00:53:37.257 --> 00:53:40.176 Sure, but how many victims do you represent and profit from 00:53:40.302 --> 00:53:41.386 before you say something? 00:53:41.469 --> 00:53:43.513 Garabedian would say none. 00:53:43.597 --> 00:53:45.473 That's why he's taking these cases to court 00:53:45.557 --> 00:53:47.267 because he wants people to know about this. 00:53:47.350 --> 00:53:50.061 I agree. And legal ethics aside, Ben, 00:53:50.228 --> 00:53:52.188 I mean, operating the way Macleish has 00:53:52.355 --> 00:53:54.566 all but guarantees that the abuse stays under wraps. 00:53:55.692 --> 00:53:58.695 Yeah. Did Macleish confirm all Saviano's priests? 00:53:58.987 --> 00:54:03.325 No. He's limited by his confidentiality agreement. 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:06.578 But clearly he's settled cases against a number of them. 00:54:06.661 --> 00:54:08.330 Phil's put me in touch with some of the other victims, 00:54:08.413 --> 00:54:11.166 I'm pretty confident all of his priests are gonna check out. 00:54:12.167 --> 00:54:13.877 So it is 13 priests? 00:54:14.044 --> 00:54:15.712 SACHA: Yeah. Looks that way. 00:54:17.255 --> 00:54:18.924 Holy shit. 00:54:21.301 --> 00:54:23.136 Okay. Keep going. 00:54:27.015 --> 00:54:28.850 I'm sorry. What was the name again? 00:54:29.601 --> 00:54:32.729 Uh, Baron. 00:54:32.854 --> 00:54:34.814 B-A-R-O-N. 00:54:35.899 --> 00:54:38.902 I'm having trouble finding it. Just give me a second. 00:54:38.985 --> 00:54:41.321 It's okay, Kim, I can vouch for him. 00:54:41.404 --> 00:54:44.157 I'm Pete Conley, I'm on the board of Catholic Charities. 00:54:44.240 --> 00:54:45.909 Welcome to Boston, Mr. Baron. 00:54:46.534 --> 00:54:48.703 Thank you. I appreciate you joining us. 00:54:49.371 --> 00:54:51.623 We're very proud of the work we do here at Boston. 00:54:52.415 --> 00:54:54.292 Oh, the Cardinal said you had a nice visit. 00:54:55.251 --> 00:54:56.544 Yes, we did. 00:54:56.628 --> 00:54:59.798 He's an extraordinary man. I'm glad you had a chance to chat. 00:55:01.299 --> 00:55:03.218 (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYING) 00:55:07.597 --> 00:55:09.599 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 00:55:13.853 --> 00:55:14.896 Enjoying yourself? 00:55:17.023 --> 00:55:20.694 Uh, to be honest, these events aren't really my strong suit. 00:55:21.319 --> 00:55:23.780 Yeah. Are you involved with the charity? 00:55:23.863 --> 00:55:26.032 Not directly, no. Several of my friends are. 00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:28.743 We all went to high school. BC High. 00:55:28.910 --> 00:55:31.496 That's the school across the street from the Globe. 00:55:31.871 --> 00:55:33.373 It's hard to miss. Yeah. 00:55:34.582 --> 00:55:36.251 Hard to get away from, too, apparently. 00:55:36.376 --> 00:55:37.752 (CHUCKLES) 00:55:38.628 --> 00:55:43.216 The Cardinal's in the corner if you're so inclined. 00:55:43.675 --> 00:55:45.343 MARTY: We've met. Really? 00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:47.887 Did he mention the suit? 00:55:47.971 --> 00:55:50.682 No, but he did give me a copy of the catechism. 00:55:51.057 --> 00:55:54.728 (LAUGHS) Yeah, well, the Cardinal's not known for his subtlety. 00:55:54.811 --> 00:55:56.312 During the Porter investigation, 00:55:56.479 --> 00:55:59.315 he'd literally called down the power of God on the Globe. 00:56:00.233 --> 00:56:01.568 How'd that play out? 00:56:02.736 --> 00:56:05.572 A week later our editor broke his leg skiing. 00:56:06.906 --> 00:56:08.324 WAITER: Shrimp toast, gentlemen? 00:56:09.159 --> 00:56:10.952 No, thanks. No. 00:56:12.454 --> 00:56:16.166 You said one of the victims filed a criminal complaint? 00:56:16.249 --> 00:56:17.751 Yeah, there were a few of them. 00:56:19.294 --> 00:56:21.087 But the judge had the case records sealed 00:56:21.171 --> 00:56:23.048 after friends of the Church complained. 00:56:23.381 --> 00:56:25.091 And the Church has a lot of friends. 00:56:25.216 --> 00:56:26.509 Like Eric Macleish? 00:56:28.053 --> 00:56:29.387 (CHUCKLES) Yeah. 00:56:29.471 --> 00:56:32.557 Let's just say he's not part of the solution. 00:56:32.640 --> 00:56:34.601 You follow what I'm saying? Sure. 00:56:35.310 --> 00:56:36.728 You work hard, Mr. Rezendes. 00:56:36.811 --> 00:56:39.731 Are you married? Yeah. 00:56:39.814 --> 00:56:41.399 Your wife doesn't mind you working all the time? 00:56:41.483 --> 00:56:42.984 Oh, yeah, she does. 00:56:45.361 --> 00:56:48.198 That's why I never got married. I'm too busy. 00:56:48.907 --> 00:56:50.492 What I do is too important. 00:56:51.284 --> 00:56:52.494 Hmm. 00:56:54.996 --> 00:56:56.316 Your new editor, he's a Jew right? 00:56:57.832 --> 00:56:59.834 Oh, that's right, yeah. Yeah, see, 00:57:00.502 --> 00:57:03.838 he comes in and suddenly everybody's interested in the Church. 00:57:03.963 --> 00:57:05.006 You know why? 00:57:06.007 --> 00:57:08.843 Because it takes an outsider, like me. 00:57:09.511 --> 00:57:11.137 I'm Armenian. 00:57:11.304 --> 00:57:13.139 How many Armenians do you know in Boston? 00:57:14.516 --> 00:57:16.309 Steve Kurkjian, works at the Globe. 00:57:17.227 --> 00:57:20.146 (LAUGHS) Oh, that's two. You should get a prize or something. 00:57:21.022 --> 00:57:23.233 What are you, Italian? No, I'm Portuguese. 00:57:24.567 --> 00:57:26.820 From where? East Boston. 00:57:28.738 --> 00:57:30.657 Really? East Boston? 00:57:32.617 --> 00:57:34.035 You don't sound like it. 00:57:40.458 --> 00:57:43.044 This city, these people, 00:57:45.046 --> 00:57:47.132 making the rest of us feel like we don't belong. 00:57:47.882 --> 00:57:49.175 But they're no better than us. 00:57:50.176 --> 00:57:52.011 Look at how they treat their children. 00:57:54.305 --> 00:57:56.224 Mark my words, Mr. Rezendes, 00:57:56.307 --> 00:57:58.476 if it takes a village to raise a child, 00:57:58.560 --> 00:58:00.061 it takes a village to abuse one. 00:58:01.354 --> 00:58:03.189 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:58:04.732 --> 00:58:07.735 Hey, here he is. Want a beer? Love one. 00:58:08.736 --> 00:58:10.989 Another. You here with Barbara? 00:58:11.156 --> 00:58:14.242 No, she hates these things. Karen, too. 00:58:14.492 --> 00:58:15.743 Yeah. Smart ladies. 00:58:16.202 --> 00:58:17.829 BOTH: Sláinte. 00:58:18.872 --> 00:58:19.873 Mmm. 00:58:20.206 --> 00:58:21.541 I met your new editor. 00:58:22.458 --> 00:58:24.794 Seemed like a decent fellow. I think he is. 00:58:26.087 --> 00:58:27.088 (SIGHS) 00:58:27.172 --> 00:58:31.176 Hey, I had an interesting conversation with Eric Macleish the other day. 00:58:32.051 --> 00:58:36.723 Turns out he's been settling abuse cases with the archdiocese for years. 00:58:37.390 --> 00:58:40.059 You really wanna talk about this here? 00:58:40.560 --> 00:58:45.565 Jim, you said you helped out on Father Barrett as a favor. 00:58:46.524 --> 00:58:48.026 That was a one-off? 00:58:50.445 --> 00:58:51.446 (CLEARS THROAT) 00:58:51.529 --> 00:58:53.698 How many of these cases have you been involved with? 00:58:55.074 --> 00:58:57.702 You know I can't answer that, Robby. It's unethical. 00:58:59.162 --> 00:59:00.622 Is that all it is? 00:59:03.082 --> 00:59:07.212 (SIGHS) So, this would be the Robby Robinson 00:59:07.295 --> 00:59:09.130 I've always heard about but never met. 00:59:11.341 --> 00:59:12.759 Listen to me, Jimmy. 00:59:13.509 --> 00:59:15.553 You wanna be on the right side of this. 00:59:17.805 --> 00:59:20.600 This is the Church you're talking about, Robby. 00:59:20.683 --> 00:59:22.352 Look around. These are good people, 00:59:22.435 --> 00:59:24.270 done a lot of good for this city. 00:59:26.022 --> 00:59:27.774 Enjoy the party. 00:59:33.655 --> 00:59:35.698 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATIONS) 00:59:36.574 --> 00:59:38.826 MATT: I've been through a lot of these now. 00:59:38.910 --> 00:59:40.370 "Sick leave" isn't the only designation they use 00:59:40.453 --> 00:59:42.330 when they take one of these priests out of circulation. 00:59:42.413 --> 00:59:44.916 They use a slew of terms. "Absent on leave," 00:59:45.041 --> 00:59:47.460 "unassigned," "emergency response." 00:59:47.543 --> 00:59:49.420 They got a word for everything, these guys. Hmm. Except "rape." 00:59:49.504 --> 00:59:50.505 (PHONE RINGS) 00:59:50.588 --> 00:59:53.049 And they move parishes way more frequently than other priests. 00:59:53.132 --> 00:59:54.467 When I was a kid, a priest moved 00:59:54.550 --> 00:59:56.219 after seven or eight years, sometimes longer. 00:59:56.302 --> 00:59:58.596 These guys, it's two to three years tops. 00:59:58.680 --> 01:00:01.015 And did they use these designations for all of Saviano's priests? 01:00:01.099 --> 01:00:03.226 Yeah, it's a pretty clear pattern. 01:00:03.309 --> 01:00:04.852 Guys, I got Sipe. 01:00:05.395 --> 01:00:08.314 SIPE: I think if you really want to understand the crisis, 01:00:08.481 --> 01:00:10.817 you need to start with the celibacy requirement. 01:00:11.025 --> 01:00:12.777 That was my first major finding. 01:00:13.194 --> 01:00:15.780 Only 50% of the clergy are celibate. 01:00:16.948 --> 01:00:19.867 Now, most of them are having sex with other adults. 01:00:20.410 --> 01:00:23.121 But the fact remains that this creates a culture of secrecy 01:00:23.204 --> 01:00:26.207 that tolerates and even protects pedophiles. 01:00:27.542 --> 01:00:31.296 So you believe the Church is aware of the extent of this crisis? 01:00:31.462 --> 01:00:34.757 Oh, absolutely. After the first major scandal in Louisiana, 01:00:34.924 --> 01:00:38.052 Tom Doyle, the secretary-canonist for the papal nuncio, 01:00:38.219 --> 01:00:40.972 co-authored a report warning pedophile priests 01:00:41.055 --> 01:00:43.224 were a billion-dollar liability. 01:00:43.474 --> 01:00:45.018 That was in 1985. 01:00:45.184 --> 01:00:47.353 (STAMMERS) 1985? That's right. 01:00:48.438 --> 01:00:50.940 Who saw that report? Anyone from the Catholic hierarchy? 01:00:51.316 --> 01:00:52.525 Sure. 01:00:52.608 --> 01:00:54.235 Doyle tried to introduce the report at 01:00:54.319 --> 01:00:56.571 the National Conference of Catholic Bishops. 01:00:57.071 --> 01:01:00.575 In fact, Cardinal Law initially helped to fund the report. 01:01:00.742 --> 01:01:02.785 But then he backed out, and they shelved it. 01:01:02.910 --> 01:01:03.953 Are you kidding me? 01:01:04.037 --> 01:01:06.289 Richard, Robby here. 01:01:06.664 --> 01:01:11.085 We think we have 13 priests in Boston that fit this pattern, 01:01:11.252 --> 01:01:14.922 which would be a very, very big story. 01:01:15.089 --> 01:01:18.092 Does that sound right to you in terms of scale? 01:01:19.052 --> 01:01:21.763 No, not really, Robby. It sounds low to me. 01:01:22.805 --> 01:01:26.309 My estimates suggest 6% act out sexually with minors. 01:01:27.602 --> 01:01:29.187 Uh, 6% of what? 01:01:29.854 --> 01:01:32.106 6% of all priests. 01:01:32.190 --> 01:01:33.775 How many priests do we have in Boston? 01:01:33.858 --> 01:01:35.818 About 1,500. 1% is 15. 01:01:35.985 --> 01:01:38.363 6% is 01:01:38.446 --> 01:01:39.655 90. 01:01:40.615 --> 01:01:44.202 All right, 90 priests. Is that possible? 01:01:44.786 --> 01:01:46.954 From a metric standpoint, 01:01:47.121 --> 01:01:50.958 yes, that would certainly be in line with my findings. 01:01:57.215 --> 01:01:58.216 Hello? 01:01:58.299 --> 01:01:59.384 Uh... 01:02:00.885 --> 01:02:02.970 Ninety fucking priests? In Boston? 01:02:03.471 --> 01:02:04.806 That's what he said. 01:02:06.057 --> 01:02:08.309 If there were 90 of these bastards, people would know. 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:09.936 Maybe they do. 01:02:10.019 --> 01:02:11.479 And no one said a thing? 01:02:12.188 --> 01:02:13.189 Good Germans? 01:02:14.357 --> 01:02:16.797 I don't think that's a comparison you want to make publically. 01:02:17.026 --> 01:02:19.529 Macleish knew. He just didn't say anything. 01:02:19.946 --> 01:02:21.489 That's 13 priests. 01:02:21.572 --> 01:02:23.533 There's a big difference between 13 and 90. 01:02:23.699 --> 01:02:25.339 Where's this guy Sipe getting his numbers? 01:02:25.493 --> 01:02:27.370 Well, he's been studying it for 30 years. 01:02:27.453 --> 01:02:28.996 He is a trained psychotherapist. 01:02:29.163 --> 01:02:31.999 Okay, but we need something more than a metric 01:02:32.166 --> 01:02:34.377 from some hippy ex-priest who's shacking up with a nun. 01:02:34.669 --> 01:02:37.880 Okay, so we'll track down more victims. We'll get more priests. 01:02:37.964 --> 01:02:40.508 Then we can check them against the directories. 01:02:40.591 --> 01:02:41.968 That's a shitload of victims. 01:02:42.051 --> 01:02:43.594 MIKE: We'll get there. 01:02:43.678 --> 01:02:44.762 How long's it gonna take? 01:02:46.222 --> 01:02:47.348 Too long. 01:02:49.016 --> 01:02:50.226 Wait, but... Meeting's over? 01:02:50.351 --> 01:02:51.561 ROBBY: Yeah, for now. 01:02:54.063 --> 01:02:56.399 Look, what've you got? What if we work backwards? 01:02:57.191 --> 01:02:59.151 What do you mean? From what? From the directories. 01:02:59.193 --> 01:03:01.028 We've been using them to confirm bad priests. 01:03:01.195 --> 01:03:02.447 What if we do it the other way around? 01:03:02.530 --> 01:03:04.850 Use the directories to identify bad priests. Yeah, exactly. 01:03:04.949 --> 01:03:06.409 We search by designation. 01:03:06.576 --> 01:03:09.370 We look for any priest on "sick leave" or "unassigned." 01:03:09.454 --> 01:03:11.622 Or have been moved around a lot. Yeah. 01:03:11.706 --> 01:03:13.207 It's gonna take a load of work. 01:03:13.291 --> 01:03:15.293 Well, not if we're all on it. 01:03:15.376 --> 01:03:16.544 MIKE: You, too? 01:03:16.586 --> 01:03:19.422 Generally that's what "all" means. Yeah. Yeah, generally. 01:04:13.476 --> 01:04:15.478 LIBRARY WORKER: Library is closing. 01:04:18.231 --> 01:04:20.233 Library is closing. 01:04:29.492 --> 01:04:30.785 Holy shit. 01:05:18.374 --> 01:05:20.376 No freakin' way. 01:05:29.218 --> 01:05:30.261 SACHA: Talbot. MATT: Yeah. 01:05:30.344 --> 01:05:31.345 SACHA: Tivnan. MATT: Yeah. 01:05:31.846 --> 01:05:32.930 Toma. Yeah. 01:05:33.014 --> 01:05:34.348 Turnbull. Yeah. 01:05:34.432 --> 01:05:35.600 Walsh. Yeah. 01:05:35.683 --> 01:05:36.892 Welsh. Yeah. 01:05:36.976 --> 01:05:38.436 That's it. That's it. 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:39.937 Holy shit. Robby? 01:05:40.021 --> 01:05:42.398 That's three off Sipe's estimate. That's incredible. 01:05:42.481 --> 01:05:43.691 Robby? 01:05:43.774 --> 01:05:44.942 How many? Eighty-seven. 01:05:45.026 --> 01:05:47.028 Eighty-seven priests in Boston. 01:05:49.697 --> 01:05:52.533 Call Macleish. I wanna talk to him. Okay. 01:05:53.367 --> 01:05:56.162 Can you print it? Sure can. 01:05:58.789 --> 01:06:00.249 SECRETARY: Jim Sullivan's office. 01:06:00.333 --> 01:06:02.543 Yeah, Walter Robinson for Jim Sullivan. 01:06:02.627 --> 01:06:04.295 Tell him it's important, please. 01:06:04.462 --> 01:06:06.047 One moment, please. 01:06:10.843 --> 01:06:12.303 JIM: Hey, Robby. Everything okay? 01:06:12.470 --> 01:06:14.388 I need you to tell me something, Jim. 01:06:14.722 --> 01:06:16.390 Could it be 90 priests? 01:06:16.974 --> 01:06:19.143 What? Could it be as high as 90? 01:06:19.810 --> 01:06:21.228 Jesus, Robby. 01:06:21.354 --> 01:06:24.857 I need to know, Jim. I wouldn't be asking if it wasn't important. 01:06:26.901 --> 01:06:28.653 You gotta stop this, Robby. 01:06:29.654 --> 01:06:31.197 (HANGS UP) 01:06:36.744 --> 01:06:39.914 Robby, Macleish's assistant said he's all booked up, he can't see us. 01:06:40.831 --> 01:06:42.833 Yeah. Well, the hell he can't. 01:06:48.422 --> 01:06:50.424 All right. That'll be fun. 01:06:54.261 --> 01:06:55.805 You know what, I'll catch up with you, okay? 01:06:55.888 --> 01:06:57.264 We're good. 01:06:57.431 --> 01:06:59.600 Hey, guys, I'm really sorry, I am, 01:06:59.684 --> 01:07:00.851 but I don't have any time to talk right now, 01:07:00.935 --> 01:07:02.144 but if you call my assistant... 01:07:02.228 --> 01:07:03.396 Mr. Macleish, we have reason to believe 01:07:03.479 --> 01:07:06.119 that there are allegations against as many as 87 priests in Boston. 01:07:07.108 --> 01:07:08.567 I can't talk to you about that. 01:07:08.609 --> 01:07:10.569 Does that number sound right to you? You gotta be kidding me. 01:07:10.653 --> 01:07:12.530 I just told you I don't have time for this crap right now. 01:07:12.613 --> 01:07:14.782 Eric. How many priests did you settle? 01:07:16.242 --> 01:07:17.451 Robby, you know I can't tell you that. 01:07:17.660 --> 01:07:20.830 You're gonna give me the names and the names of their victims. 01:07:22.957 --> 01:07:24.125 Are you threatening me? 01:07:24.625 --> 01:07:26.502 We've got two stories here. 01:07:26.585 --> 01:07:28.504 We've got a story about degenerate clergy, 01:07:28.671 --> 01:07:30.548 and we've got a story about a bunch of lawyers 01:07:30.631 --> 01:07:33.092 turning child abuse into a cottage industry. 01:07:33.676 --> 01:07:36.053 Now, which story do you want us to write? 01:07:36.137 --> 01:07:37.805 'Cause we're writing one of them. 01:07:41.475 --> 01:07:43.978 I already sent you a list of names. 01:07:45.312 --> 01:07:46.939 What're you talking about? To whom? 01:07:47.189 --> 01:07:49.859 The Globe. Years ago. 01:07:49.942 --> 01:07:51.902 After the Porter case. I got plenty of calls. 01:07:51.986 --> 01:07:54.321 I had 20 priests in Boston alone, 01:07:54.405 --> 01:07:56.245 but I couldn't go after them without the press. 01:07:56.490 --> 01:08:00.953 So I sent you guys a list of names, and you buried it. 01:08:03.164 --> 01:08:04.540 I want those names tomorrow. 01:08:04.790 --> 01:08:06.834 Check your goddamn clips, Robby. 01:08:09.128 --> 01:08:10.671 SACHA: We didn't find anything in the clips. 01:08:10.838 --> 01:08:12.673 Yeah. Big surprise. 01:08:14.133 --> 01:08:17.344 Richard, do you still go to mass? 01:08:17.970 --> 01:08:20.556 SIPE: No. No, I haven't been to church for some time now. 01:08:20.848 --> 01:08:23.142 But I still consider myself a Catholic. 01:08:23.476 --> 01:08:24.852 How does that work? 01:08:25.186 --> 01:08:27.730 Well, the church is an institution, Mike. 01:08:28.147 --> 01:08:29.648 Made of men. 01:08:29.732 --> 01:08:32.860 It's passing. My faith is in the eternal. 01:08:33.861 --> 01:08:35.529 I try to separate the two. 01:08:36.322 --> 01:08:38.699 Sounds tricky. It is. 01:08:38.908 --> 01:08:41.577 Especially since the Church continues to go after me. 01:08:42.161 --> 01:08:43.662 It takes a toll, Mike. 01:08:44.205 --> 01:08:45.965 They'll try to silence anyone who speaks out. 01:08:45.998 --> 01:08:48.375 I'm sure they'll come after you and your team soon enough. 01:08:48.667 --> 01:08:50.878 Really? And how do you think they'll do that? 01:08:54.715 --> 01:08:56.342 Hello? 01:08:56.509 --> 01:08:57.510 Richard? 01:08:59.470 --> 01:09:01.138 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 01:09:04.058 --> 01:09:05.226 Who is it? 01:09:05.309 --> 01:09:07.311 BEN: It's the archbishop of Canterbury. 01:09:11.065 --> 01:09:12.945 I had dinner at Santarpio's, had some leftovers. 01:09:13.067 --> 01:09:16.529 Ah, you're the freakin' best. Thanks. You want a beer? 01:09:17.238 --> 01:09:19.615 Yeah. You got it. 01:09:19.782 --> 01:09:21.242 Jesus. 01:09:21.700 --> 01:09:23.202 How much longer you gonna be in this shithole? 01:09:23.285 --> 01:09:24.912 Yeah. I'm working on it. 01:09:25.746 --> 01:09:27.081 She's a good girl, Mike. 01:09:27.248 --> 01:09:30.334 Yeah, she is. We'll figure it out. 01:09:30.417 --> 01:09:32.962 I haven't had a lot of time lately. 01:09:33.045 --> 01:09:34.805 I just got off the phone with Sipe, actually. 01:09:35.548 --> 01:09:37.174 Have you met this guy in person yet? 01:09:37.716 --> 01:09:41.053 No, but his knowledge of this is on a whole other level. 01:09:41.136 --> 01:09:42.304 I'm freaking starving. 01:09:44.807 --> 01:09:46.600 So, where are we with the 90? 01:09:47.434 --> 01:09:49.478 We're close. How close? 01:09:49.603 --> 01:09:52.106 We're close. Just answer the question, will you? 01:09:55.442 --> 01:09:57.570 We got 87 names. 01:09:57.653 --> 01:09:59.613 We're trying to get confirmation. I think we will. 01:10:01.282 --> 01:10:02.324 (SIGHS) 01:10:02.408 --> 01:10:03.826 Something bugging you? 01:10:04.451 --> 01:10:05.995 It's just surprising, that's all. 01:10:07.121 --> 01:10:10.499 Yeah. Yeah, it is. For everybody. 01:10:11.876 --> 01:10:13.127 (SIGHING) 01:10:15.963 --> 01:10:18.507 Oh, hey, Ben. I forgot to ask you. 01:10:19.008 --> 01:10:22.219 Phil Saviano said he sent a bunch of info over to the Globe years ago. 01:10:22.303 --> 01:10:23.804 Do you have any idea to who? 01:10:24.305 --> 01:10:25.556 No, why? 01:10:25.639 --> 01:10:27.159 Well, I'm just curious. I wanted to see 01:10:27.308 --> 01:10:29.068 if there's any leads you guys didn't run out. 01:10:29.476 --> 01:10:31.687 Saviano was a fucking train wreck five years ago, Mike. 01:10:31.770 --> 01:10:33.105 We didn't miss anything. 01:10:33.188 --> 01:10:34.857 This story needed Spotlight. 01:10:36.317 --> 01:10:38.319 Yeah, I agree. I'm just following up. 01:10:41.322 --> 01:10:42.990 Good night. Yeah, good night. 01:10:43.282 --> 01:10:44.491 (DOOR CLOSING) 01:10:47.828 --> 01:10:49.038 BEN: This is unbelievable. 01:10:49.121 --> 01:10:50.289 MARTY: When did you get this? 01:10:50.497 --> 01:10:52.499 ROBBY: Macleish emailed the list this morning. 01:10:52.625 --> 01:10:55.210 He settled cases against 45 priests. 01:10:56.003 --> 01:10:57.755 Where are we on Law? 01:10:57.838 --> 01:10:59.757 Anything that shows he had knowledge of this? 01:10:59.840 --> 01:11:02.134 We're still working Garabedian. But nothing concrete. 01:11:02.468 --> 01:11:04.762 I keep thinking about that conversation we had the other night 01:11:04.845 --> 01:11:07.222 about how Law called down the power of God 01:11:07.306 --> 01:11:09.683 when we reported on Porter. 01:11:10.059 --> 01:11:12.144 That's just Law being Law. 01:11:12.227 --> 01:11:13.771 Okay, but I checked the clips, 01:11:13.854 --> 01:11:17.399 and, uh, Porter isn't even in the Boston archdiocese. 01:11:17.566 --> 01:11:20.235 He's from Fall River. So (INHALES DEEPLY) 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:21.862 why the extreme reaction? 01:11:23.572 --> 01:11:25.074 Law had to know. 01:11:25.699 --> 01:11:27.534 That's why he had the reaction. 01:11:27.826 --> 01:11:29.370 Because he knew there were others. 01:11:32.706 --> 01:11:34.541 I think that's the bigger story. 01:11:36.043 --> 01:11:37.586 Bigger than 50 priests? 01:11:38.337 --> 01:11:40.464 If it came from the top down, yes. 01:11:40.839 --> 01:11:42.383 But the numbers clearly indicate 01:11:42.508 --> 01:11:44.028 that there were senior clergy involved. 01:11:44.176 --> 01:11:45.427 MARTY: That's all they do. Indicate. 01:11:45.594 --> 01:11:47.262 Are you telling me that if we run a story 01:11:47.388 --> 01:11:49.056 with 50 pedophile priests in Boston... 01:11:49.139 --> 01:11:50.391 Mike! 01:11:50.474 --> 01:11:52.714 We'll get into the same cat fight you got into on Porter, 01:11:52.768 --> 01:11:54.311 which made a lot of noise, 01:11:54.395 --> 01:11:56.397 but changed things not one bit. 01:11:58.649 --> 01:11:59.650 (SIGHING) 01:11:59.900 --> 01:12:03.237 We need to focus on the institution, not the individual priests. 01:12:03.862 --> 01:12:05.155 Practice and policy. 01:12:05.698 --> 01:12:07.491 Show me the Church manipulated the system 01:12:07.574 --> 01:12:09.201 so that these guys wouldn't have to face charges. 01:12:09.284 --> 01:12:11.245 Show me they put those same priests 01:12:11.412 --> 01:12:13.372 back into parishes, time and time again. 01:12:13.455 --> 01:12:14.957 Show me this was systemic, 01:12:15.040 --> 01:12:17.084 that it came from the top down. 01:12:19.294 --> 01:12:21.255 Sounds like we're going after Law. 01:12:25.426 --> 01:12:27.428 We're going after the system. 01:12:30.222 --> 01:12:32.933 Make a list of all the victims we have. Start reaching out. 01:12:33.142 --> 01:12:34.862 And bring Matt in if you need help. Mmm-hmm. 01:12:34.935 --> 01:12:36.478 Okay. Hey, when you go to Springfield? 01:12:36.645 --> 01:12:38.605 Our hearing is Monday. ROBBY: Okay. 01:12:39.273 --> 01:12:40.941 Hey, Robby, you got a second? 01:12:41.400 --> 01:12:42.401 ROBBY: Yeah. 01:12:43.444 --> 01:12:45.863 I, uh, got one of those treatment centers 01:12:45.946 --> 01:12:47.114 a block from my house. 01:12:48.365 --> 01:12:49.366 (EXHALES) 01:12:49.450 --> 01:12:51.035 We got neighbors with kids. 01:12:51.118 --> 01:12:54.371 I know that the work we do is confidential, but I'm feeling like... 01:12:54.455 --> 01:12:55.497 (SIGHS) 01:12:55.581 --> 01:12:56.707 I should tell 'em. 01:12:58.834 --> 01:12:59.835 (CLICKS TONGUE) 01:13:01.170 --> 01:13:02.463 We'll tell 'em soon. 01:13:03.630 --> 01:13:04.631 You sure? 01:13:05.966 --> 01:13:07.134 Yeah. Okay. 01:13:10.554 --> 01:13:13.057 Hi there. I'm Sacha Pfeiffer. I'm with The Boston Globe. 01:13:13.140 --> 01:13:15.851 I was just looking for a gentleman by the name of Matthew Walsh. 01:13:16.643 --> 01:13:18.562 Uh... No, he's not. 01:13:21.815 --> 01:13:23.275 (INDISTINCT) 01:13:23.358 --> 01:13:24.526 Yeah, okay. Okay. 01:13:25.569 --> 01:13:26.570 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 01:13:31.742 --> 01:13:32.785 Hi. Hi. 01:13:32.868 --> 01:13:34.119 I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe. 01:13:34.244 --> 01:13:35.454 Yeah, what do you want? 01:13:35.537 --> 01:13:37.017 I'd like to speak with Thomas Kennedy. 01:13:37.164 --> 01:13:38.415 He doesn't live here anymore. 01:13:38.540 --> 01:13:39.792 Do you know where he lives? 01:13:40.167 --> 01:13:41.835 Sir, I'd just like to ask a few... 01:13:44.004 --> 01:13:45.130 Uh, Sacha Pfeiffer, Boston Globe. 01:13:45.214 --> 01:13:46.673 WOMAN: Oh, yeah, hi. 01:13:46.757 --> 01:13:48.175 Hi. Thank you. 01:13:48.842 --> 01:13:50.302 Anything else you can recall? 01:13:50.427 --> 01:13:51.887 No. 01:13:51.970 --> 01:13:53.847 No, but I got a cousin in Quincy. 01:13:53.972 --> 01:13:55.808 She saw him in the street a few years later. 01:13:56.683 --> 01:13:58.268 MAN: The Bishop came over to the house. 01:13:58.352 --> 01:14:00.020 He said nothing like this had ever happened before, 01:14:00.104 --> 01:14:01.647 and he asked us not to press charges. 01:14:02.064 --> 01:14:03.857 And what did your mother do? 01:14:03.941 --> 01:14:05.234 My mother? 01:14:05.317 --> 01:14:06.360 (SCOFFS) 01:14:06.693 --> 01:14:08.278 She put out freakin' cookies. 01:14:08.487 --> 01:14:10.030 (CHURCH BELL TOLLING) 01:14:12.616 --> 01:14:14.701 WOMAN: There was a lot of pressure to keep quiet. 01:14:15.035 --> 01:14:16.036 From the Church? 01:14:16.120 --> 01:14:17.871 Yeah, from the Church. 01:14:17.955 --> 01:14:19.873 But not just the Church. 01:14:20.415 --> 01:14:22.626 From my friends, 01:14:22.709 --> 01:14:24.253 from the other parishioners. 01:14:24.419 --> 01:14:26.421 SIPE: Well, many of the priests that I treated 01:14:26.505 --> 01:14:28.799 were psychosexually stunted, 01:14:28.882 --> 01:14:31.135 on the emotional level of a 12- or 13-year-old. 01:14:31.301 --> 01:14:32.636 Jeez. 01:14:32.719 --> 01:14:34.513 Sure the Chief knew. Everybody knew, 01:14:34.638 --> 01:14:36.390 but nobody wants to cuff a priest. 01:14:36.557 --> 01:14:37.558 Mmm. 01:14:38.142 --> 01:14:39.393 And what about the prosecutor? 01:14:40.394 --> 01:14:41.979 I shouldn't talk about this shit. 01:14:42.146 --> 01:14:44.356 I think you should, actually. 01:14:44.439 --> 01:14:46.692 Do you know a Father Hurley or a Father Gale? 01:14:47.442 --> 01:14:48.485 I do. 01:14:48.569 --> 01:14:49.736 I swear to God, I'll beat the shit out of you. 01:14:49.903 --> 01:14:51.029 Sorry to bother you. 01:14:51.113 --> 01:14:52.281 You leave me alone, you leave my brother alone! 01:14:52.364 --> 01:14:53.365 You hear me, God damn it? 01:15:01.915 --> 01:15:04.042 Hi there. I'm looking for Ronald Paquin. 01:15:04.126 --> 01:15:05.127 Yes? 01:15:06.295 --> 01:15:07.421 You're Father Paquin? 01:15:07.546 --> 01:15:08.630 Yes, that's right. 01:15:09.923 --> 01:15:11.967 I'm Sacha Pfeiffer from The Boston Globe. 01:15:12.050 --> 01:15:13.050 Okay. 01:15:13.093 --> 01:15:14.511 Could I ask you a few questions? 01:15:14.636 --> 01:15:16.138 Go ahead, dear. 01:15:16.805 --> 01:15:18.849 We spoke to several men who you knew when they were boys 01:15:18.932 --> 01:15:20.601 at St. John the Baptist in Haverhill. 01:15:23.145 --> 01:15:24.938 They told us you molested them. Is that true? 01:15:27.441 --> 01:15:31.361 Sure I fooled around, but I never felt gratified myself. 01:15:32.946 --> 01:15:35.699 Right. Um, but you admit to molesting boys 01:15:35.782 --> 01:15:36.867 at St. John the Baptist? 01:15:37.951 --> 01:15:40.412 Yes, yes, but as I said, 01:15:40.495 --> 01:15:42.039 I never got any pleasure from it. 01:15:42.497 --> 01:15:44.499 That's important to understand. 01:15:44.666 --> 01:15:45.667 Right. 01:15:46.001 --> 01:15:49.046 Um, but can you tell me where and how 01:15:49.129 --> 01:15:50.449 you fooled around with these boys? 01:15:52.049 --> 01:15:53.759 (SIGHS) I want to be clear, 01:15:53.842 --> 01:15:55.469 I never raped anyone. 01:15:56.637 --> 01:15:58.805 There's a difference. I should know. 01:15:59.473 --> 01:16:00.641 How would you know? 01:16:00.766 --> 01:16:01.892 I was raped. 01:16:04.645 --> 01:16:06.438 I'm sorry, who raped you? 01:16:06.521 --> 01:16:07.522 JANE: Ronnie, who're you talking to? 01:16:07.689 --> 01:16:09.107 It's okay, Jane. Father Paquin, who raped you? 01:16:09.191 --> 01:16:10.192 Who are you? 01:16:10.651 --> 01:16:12.527 Uh... Sacha Pfeiffer, from the Globe. 01:16:12.694 --> 01:16:14.574 Please get off my porch. I can speak for myself. 01:16:14.655 --> 01:16:16.657 Get inside the house, Ronnie. Mr... 01:16:16.740 --> 01:16:18.533 Get inside, Ronald. Sorry. 01:16:18.700 --> 01:16:19.785 Uh, I'm sorry, who are you? 01:16:19.910 --> 01:16:20.953 I'm his sister, 01:16:21.036 --> 01:16:22.246 and I don't want you coming back here. 01:16:22.329 --> 01:16:23.497 Ms. Paquin... 01:16:31.213 --> 01:16:32.839 BOY 1: Beat you to the end of the street! 01:16:32.965 --> 01:16:34.645 BOY 2: No, you won't. I beat you last time! 01:16:34.716 --> 01:16:35.717 BOY 1: No, you didn't, you cheated! 01:16:35.842 --> 01:16:36.885 You did! 01:16:43.433 --> 01:16:47.521 Could you please clarify the Globe's position for me, Mr. Albano? 01:16:47.771 --> 01:16:49.189 ALBANO: Yes, Judge Sweeney. 01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:55.779 Our argument to make these documents public 01:16:55.862 --> 01:16:58.490 rests mainly on First Amendment grounds. 01:16:58.782 --> 01:17:01.368 We also have a number of other relevant arguments. 01:17:01.451 --> 01:17:02.452 After all, Your Honor, 01:17:02.536 --> 01:17:03.787 this was a discretionary order. 01:17:04.204 --> 01:17:06.707 SWEENEY: Yes, it was made at the Judge's discretion. 01:17:06.873 --> 01:17:08.166 Hey, Mike. 01:17:08.292 --> 01:17:09.543 Hey, Joe. 01:17:10.377 --> 01:17:11.461 What's a Spotlight reporter 01:17:11.545 --> 01:17:12.671 doing in Springfield? 01:17:12.754 --> 01:17:13.755 (SCOFFS) 01:17:15.048 --> 01:17:17.634 Your boy Albano's sledding uphill. 01:17:17.718 --> 01:17:19.594 You actually think you have a shot at winning this thing? 01:17:19.761 --> 01:17:21.471 You want me to comment for the Herald? 01:17:21.555 --> 01:17:22.556 (CHUCKLES) 01:17:23.724 --> 01:17:26.226 "Globe reporter would not comment, 01:17:27.060 --> 01:17:29.646 "but he did not seem hopeful." 01:17:30.772 --> 01:17:32.691 He didn't try and hide it at all. 01:17:32.774 --> 01:17:35.652 He had this really odd rationalization for it. 01:17:35.736 --> 01:17:37.154 Like it was totally normal 01:17:37.237 --> 01:17:38.477 to fool around with little boys. 01:17:39.406 --> 01:17:41.700 I'd really like to go back. I think he'd talk to us. 01:17:42.534 --> 01:17:43.910 Oh, we will. 01:17:44.411 --> 01:17:45.829 Just not yet. 01:17:45.912 --> 01:17:48.623 I want you to stay focused on the victims right now. 01:17:48.707 --> 01:17:51.126 MATT: Sacha, where'd they send Father Talbot again? 01:17:51.209 --> 01:17:53.253 Um, I think... Wasn't that Cheverus? 01:17:53.628 --> 01:17:54.713 MATT: Cheverus, that's right. 01:17:54.796 --> 01:17:57.341 Wait, Father Talbot from BC High? 01:17:57.758 --> 01:17:59.468 Yeah, you know him? 01:17:59.634 --> 01:18:01.803 Yeah, he was there when I was. 01:18:02.429 --> 01:18:03.472 We have a victim? 01:18:03.555 --> 01:18:05.766 Yeah, lives in Providence. 01:18:09.436 --> 01:18:12.356 There's nothing personal in these documents, Your Honor. 01:18:12.439 --> 01:18:13.774 They concern how the Cardinal is handling... 01:18:13.899 --> 01:18:15.233 Say "the archdiocese." 01:18:16.610 --> 01:18:17.736 ALBANO: Excuse me? 01:18:17.819 --> 01:18:19.237 You don't get to tag the Cardinal 01:18:19.321 --> 01:18:21.156 with everything, Mr. Albano. 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:22.908 Say "the archdiocese." 01:18:23.575 --> 01:18:25.535 WILSON: Judge Sweeney, the Globe is not a party to this case, 01:18:25.619 --> 01:18:26.703 they just want to sell papers. 01:18:26.787 --> 01:18:29.122 If Mr. Garabedian had not smeared 01:18:29.206 --> 01:18:30.499 the Cardinal's good name, 01:18:31.124 --> 01:18:32.584 we wouldn't even be here. 01:18:32.667 --> 01:18:34.795 Your Honor, I object to the use of the word "smear." 01:18:34.961 --> 01:18:36.505 SWEENEY: Duly noted, Mr. Garabedian. 01:18:36.588 --> 01:18:37.748 MITCH: Thank you, Your Honor. 01:18:37.798 --> 01:18:38.757 SWEENEY: Anything else, Mr. Rogers? 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:39.841 WILSON: No, Your Honor. 01:18:40.092 --> 01:18:42.135 SWEENEY: Mr. Albano, you may continue. 01:18:42.302 --> 01:18:43.303 ALBANO: The Globe believes having... 01:18:43.387 --> 01:18:45.555 (CHURCH BELL TOLLING) 01:18:45.639 --> 01:18:47.724 MIKE: Hey, Mitch, how are you doing? 01:18:48.141 --> 01:18:49.142 I'm fine. 01:18:49.976 --> 01:18:52.312 He's tough, that Wilson Rogers. 01:18:52.771 --> 01:18:53.980 He's smug. 01:18:54.481 --> 01:18:55.816 And he's sloppy. 01:18:56.066 --> 01:18:57.651 He doesn't seem sloppy. 01:18:58.318 --> 01:19:00.070 You don't know the half of it. Trust me. 01:19:01.446 --> 01:19:03.156 What's the half of it? 01:19:05.325 --> 01:19:06.576 Tell me the half of it, Mitch. 01:19:08.745 --> 01:19:10.747 Off the record? Off the record, yeah. 01:19:14.334 --> 01:19:16.837 Three years ago, I get a call from an ex-priest. 01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:18.171 Anthony Benzevich. 01:19:18.338 --> 01:19:20.590 He was at Blessed Sacrament back in '62, 01:19:20.757 --> 01:19:22.968 and he saw Geoghan 01:19:24.136 --> 01:19:26.263 taking little boys up to the rectory bedroom, okay? 01:19:26.346 --> 01:19:28.265 So he's appalled, all right? 01:19:28.348 --> 01:19:29.474 Tells the bishop about it. 01:19:30.434 --> 01:19:32.269 The bishop threatens to reassign him 01:19:32.686 --> 01:19:34.187 to South America. 01:19:34.271 --> 01:19:35.772 Jesus. Yeah, all right. 01:19:35.856 --> 01:19:37.274 So fast forward 35 years, 01:19:37.357 --> 01:19:39.109 Benzevich reads that Geoghan's been charged 01:19:39.234 --> 01:19:41.027 with molesting hundreds of kids. 01:19:41.194 --> 01:19:43.447 All right? So he feels guilty. He calls me. 01:19:43.530 --> 01:19:45.699 So you have testimony of a priest 01:19:45.866 --> 01:19:48.034 telling his superiors about Geoghan in '62? 01:19:48.702 --> 01:19:50.203 No, I do not. 01:19:50.287 --> 01:19:52.873 Because when I called Benzevich in to give a deposition, 01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:54.207 he comes in with a lawyer. 01:19:55.041 --> 01:19:56.668 Wilson Rogers. Right. 01:19:57.127 --> 01:19:58.295 And suddenly Father Benzevich 01:19:58.378 --> 01:19:59.629 has a very foggy memory. 01:19:59.838 --> 01:20:01.798 Can't remember anything. He's useless. 01:20:01.965 --> 01:20:03.091 So I go back to work, 01:20:03.175 --> 01:20:04.509 I forget about it. Whatever. 01:20:05.218 --> 01:20:07.053 Until about a year ago, I find an article 01:20:07.137 --> 01:20:10.223 about a priest who warned church officials about Geoghan. 01:20:10.724 --> 01:20:12.559 Benzevich went to the press? Yeah. 01:20:12.893 --> 01:20:15.395 Yeah, local paper, Patriot Ledger. Nobody saw it. 01:20:15.562 --> 01:20:17.147 But now I got Benzevich on record. 01:20:17.314 --> 01:20:20.567 So I file a motion to depose Benzevich a second time. 01:20:21.151 --> 01:20:22.861 All right? And Wilson Rogers, 01:20:22.944 --> 01:20:24.488 that smug son of a bitch, 01:20:24.654 --> 01:20:27.240 he files a motion opposing my motion. 01:20:27.824 --> 01:20:29.201 And that's when I have him. 01:20:30.744 --> 01:20:31.912 Have him how? 01:20:32.329 --> 01:20:33.872 Rogers opposes my motion, 01:20:34.039 --> 01:20:35.332 so I have to make an argument 01:20:35.415 --> 01:20:36.458 as to why I'm allowed to depose 01:20:36.541 --> 01:20:38.376 Father Benzevich a second time, okay? 01:20:38.585 --> 01:20:41.254 But this time, I'm allowed to attach exhibits. 01:20:41.838 --> 01:20:42.998 Do you follow what I'm saying? 01:20:43.548 --> 01:20:44.758 The sealed documents? Yes. 01:20:45.091 --> 01:20:47.093 I can attach the sealed documents 01:20:47.260 --> 01:20:49.262 that I've gotten in discovery, Mr. Rezendes, 01:20:49.429 --> 01:20:52.349 the same documents that your paper is currently suing for. 01:20:53.266 --> 01:20:54.476 You're shitting me? 01:20:54.559 --> 01:20:56.436 What? No. No, I'm not shitting you. 01:20:56.603 --> 01:20:59.439 So I pull out the 14 most damning docs 01:20:59.523 --> 01:21:00.899 and I attach 'em to my motion. 01:21:01.066 --> 01:21:02.734 And they prove everything. Everything. 01:21:02.943 --> 01:21:05.445 About the Church, about the bishops, about Law. 01:21:05.612 --> 01:21:07.280 And it's all public? 01:21:07.572 --> 01:21:10.033 Because your motion to oppose Roger's motion 01:21:10.200 --> 01:21:12.202 is public. Yeah, exactly. 01:21:12.285 --> 01:21:13.411 Now you're paying attention. 01:21:13.578 --> 01:21:15.580 So I could just walk into that courthouse right now 01:21:15.747 --> 01:21:16.873 and get those documents? 01:21:17.040 --> 01:21:18.708 No, you cannot, 01:21:18.792 --> 01:21:20.293 because the documents are not there. 01:21:20.961 --> 01:21:22.295 But you just said they're public. 01:21:22.379 --> 01:21:25.507 I know I did, but this is Boston, 01:21:25.590 --> 01:21:29.094 and the Church does not want them to be found. 01:21:29.427 --> 01:21:30.804 So they are not there. 01:21:32.722 --> 01:21:35.141 Mitch, are you telling me that the Catholic Church 01:21:35.308 --> 01:21:37.602 removed legal documents from that courthouse? 01:21:38.144 --> 01:21:41.147 Look, I'm not crazy, I'm not paranoid. 01:21:41.314 --> 01:21:42.482 I'm experienced. 01:21:42.649 --> 01:21:44.651 Check the docket. You'll see. 01:21:45.735 --> 01:21:47.153 They control everything. 01:21:50.073 --> 01:21:51.241 Everything. 01:21:53.326 --> 01:21:54.953 I gotta go back in. 01:21:58.665 --> 01:22:01.459 (GRUMBLING) These guys got the fucking documents. 01:22:15.765 --> 01:22:18.977 Docket entry number 49, it's in the Geoghan case. 01:22:19.144 --> 01:22:20.224 We're closing in 10 minutes. 01:22:20.353 --> 01:22:22.022 Ten minutes? All right. 01:22:53.762 --> 01:22:55.889 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 01:22:59.225 --> 01:23:00.977 Robby. MIKE: Hey, it's me. 01:23:01.061 --> 01:23:02.437 Hey. You're not gonna believe it. 01:23:02.854 --> 01:23:06.358 Garabedian gave me a tip. Some of the sealed docs are already public. 01:23:06.524 --> 01:23:07.859 They're part of a motion he filed. 01:23:08.276 --> 01:23:09.819 He said they're the best of the bunch. 01:23:09.944 --> 01:23:11.488 We don't have to wait for Sweeney's ruling. 01:23:11.571 --> 01:23:12.739 So we can get them? 01:23:12.864 --> 01:23:13.990 Yeah, but they're not there. 01:23:14.324 --> 01:23:15.325 Already talked to Albano. 01:23:15.408 --> 01:23:17.285 He said all we have to do is file a motion, 01:23:17.452 --> 01:23:19.829 and Sweeney will order Mitch to refile the docs. 01:23:20.413 --> 01:23:21.956 And you think these documents are... 01:23:22.040 --> 01:23:24.709 He said these 14 docs were all we need. They're huge. 01:23:24.834 --> 01:23:29.005 Okay. I'll call Ben. Good work. 01:23:45.397 --> 01:23:47.399 NEWS ANCHOR ON TV: ...whether this was truly an accident 01:23:47.482 --> 01:23:48.942 or someone committed an intentional act. 01:23:49.025 --> 01:23:50.652 But either way, extensive damage 01:23:50.735 --> 01:23:52.112 has been done to this building. 01:23:54.489 --> 01:23:56.282 MARTY: What happened? 01:23:56.366 --> 01:23:58.284 They're saying it's a prop plane, 01:23:58.368 --> 01:23:59.536 but that's not a prop plane. 01:24:03.790 --> 01:24:06.459 Tell Linda to get every reporter we have in here now. 01:24:08.044 --> 01:24:09.804 CARDINAL LAW ON TV: You pray for the victims, 01:24:09.879 --> 01:24:12.590 you pray for the injured, 01:24:13.258 --> 01:24:15.760 and you pray for those who survived. 01:24:16.928 --> 01:24:19.681 You pray, too, for the nation. 01:24:21.015 --> 01:24:27.063 That our response to this might reflect the best ideals of our nation. 01:24:28.314 --> 01:24:31.317 And even more, reflect God's own teaching. 01:24:31.860 --> 01:24:35.864 Not only as it's shown in Christianity and Judaism, 01:24:36.322 --> 01:24:38.283 but in Islam as well. 01:24:38.450 --> 01:24:40.785 Not bad. Who's there? Paulson. 01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:42.620 I wanna talk to him when he's back. 01:24:43.204 --> 01:24:45.004 Did Rezendes find a way to get to Florida yet? 01:24:45.331 --> 01:24:46.875 They just opened the airport in Providence. 01:24:46.958 --> 01:24:47.959 He's on his way there now. 01:24:48.334 --> 01:24:50.378 Ben, I'm gonna need more people on Massport. 01:24:50.462 --> 01:24:51.880 I'll give you three of my guys. 01:24:51.963 --> 01:24:53.883 Robby, put your team on that, too. ROBBY: Got it. 01:24:53.923 --> 01:24:55.216 And Robby, everything else stops. 01:24:55.341 --> 01:24:56.676 Understood. 01:24:56.801 --> 01:24:58.178 Why's Mike going to Florida? 01:24:58.261 --> 01:25:01.097 Flight school. It's where they learned to fly. 01:25:01.181 --> 01:25:03.975 Robby, I've got a lot of victim interviews set up this week. 01:25:04.058 --> 01:25:05.435 We have to cancel 'em. 01:25:05.518 --> 01:25:06.811 That's gonna be hard. I know. 01:25:06.978 --> 01:25:08.938 This is nuts. Two days ago I told my wife 01:25:09.105 --> 01:25:10.940 we gotta be working the biggest story on the planet. 01:25:11.024 --> 01:25:12.317 Boston Globe. 01:25:12.484 --> 01:25:14.324 RECEPTIONIST: Boston Globe. One moment, please. 01:25:14.527 --> 01:25:16.808 Yes, if you have a tip, I will transfer you down to Metro. 01:25:16.863 --> 01:25:18.198 (PHONE RINGING) 01:25:19.115 --> 01:25:20.200 Mitchell Garabedian. 01:25:20.283 --> 01:25:21.659 Mitch, it's Mike, I've been trying to reach you. 01:25:21.743 --> 01:25:23.453 I don't have time to talk to you, Mr. Rezendes. 01:25:23.536 --> 01:25:26.247 Hey, just quickly, did you refile those docs yet? 01:25:26.331 --> 01:25:28.171 MITCH: No, I just got the order. It takes time. 01:25:28.333 --> 01:25:29.959 Okay, great. Can you hold off on refiling them? 01:25:30.126 --> 01:25:31.461 Hold off? I have to go to Florida. 01:25:31.628 --> 01:25:33.046 Once you refile they're public. 01:25:33.213 --> 01:25:35.213 Other newspapers will be able to get a hold of 'em. 01:25:35.298 --> 01:25:39.135 Other newspapers are not my concern. I received a judicial order. 01:25:39.344 --> 01:25:41.095 I told you the Church is watching me. 01:25:41.262 --> 01:25:43.765 Oh, hey, Mitch, please. All I need's a few more weeks. 01:25:45.391 --> 01:25:47.227 I can't make any promises. Goodbye. 01:25:47.393 --> 01:25:49.854 Mitch? Mitch! Shit! 01:25:51.773 --> 01:25:52.774 Shit. 01:26:01.741 --> 01:26:03.785 PHIL: Look, I get it, no one wants to read 01:26:03.868 --> 01:26:05.161 about kids getting raped by priests. 01:26:05.245 --> 01:26:06.329 Especially now. 01:26:06.412 --> 01:26:07.932 But you asked a lot of people to relive 01:26:07.997 --> 01:26:09.332 some very painful experiences, 01:26:09.415 --> 01:26:10.458 and you just disappear. 01:26:10.542 --> 01:26:12.168 Phil, you know why we were taken off of the story. 01:26:12.252 --> 01:26:14.045 It's been six weeks since 9/11. 01:26:14.170 --> 01:26:16.381 I realize that and we're gonna get back to it. 01:26:16.548 --> 01:26:17.549 When? 01:26:19.217 --> 01:26:21.217 You're doing the same thing you guys did last time. 01:26:21.261 --> 01:26:22.303 No. You're dropping us. 01:26:22.428 --> 01:26:24.514 No. Maybe I should tell the Herald that story. 01:26:25.849 --> 01:26:27.934 Okay, Phil, you go ahead and do that. 01:26:28.685 --> 01:26:31.813 It will undo all the work we've done, but I can't stop you. 01:26:34.023 --> 01:26:37.360 Listen to me. I am here because I care. 01:26:39.445 --> 01:26:40.864 We're not going away. 01:26:41.614 --> 01:26:43.774 We're gonna tell this story, we're gonna tell it right. 01:26:43.908 --> 01:26:46.452 We just need a little more time. That's all we're asking for. 01:26:47.078 --> 01:26:48.621 (SCOFFS) 01:26:49.622 --> 01:26:51.207 Why bother asking? 01:26:52.584 --> 01:26:54.419 You're gonna do what you want anyway. 01:26:55.587 --> 01:26:57.171 You always do. 01:26:57.881 --> 01:26:58.882 Phil. 01:26:59.841 --> 01:27:00.842 Phil. 01:27:02.343 --> 01:27:04.137 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 01:27:06.890 --> 01:27:08.016 Hey. 01:27:08.099 --> 01:27:09.475 ROBBY: How's South Beach? 01:27:09.559 --> 01:27:12.312 Boynton Beach. Remarkably different place. 01:27:12.812 --> 01:27:13.897 What's up? 01:27:13.980 --> 01:27:15.982 Mitch Garabedian called me today. 01:27:16.274 --> 01:27:18.568 Why'd he call you? 'Cause he knew you'd yell at him. 01:27:18.943 --> 01:27:20.278 He refiled the docs. 01:27:20.445 --> 01:27:21.446 What? 01:27:21.946 --> 01:27:23.531 Robby, those docs are public now. 01:27:23.615 --> 01:27:24.866 We gotta get there before anyone else does. 01:27:24.949 --> 01:27:26.367 I know. I know. I know. 01:27:26.451 --> 01:27:28.244 Just wrap up whatever you're doing 01:27:28.328 --> 01:27:29.448 and get the first flight out. 01:27:29.495 --> 01:27:31.623 I'll book a flight now and go straight to the courthouse tomorrow. 01:27:31.706 --> 01:27:33.708 All right. Call me when you get in. Okay. 01:27:35.835 --> 01:27:38.838 Robby, I'd like to let Phil Saviano know that we're back on it. 01:27:39.005 --> 01:27:40.590 Good idea. 01:27:40.673 --> 01:27:42.300 Go have dinner with Hansi. 01:27:42.383 --> 01:27:43.760 Might be the last time for a while. 01:27:44.385 --> 01:27:45.386 Mmm-hmm. 01:27:49.724 --> 01:27:52.101 Robby, after we saw Macleish, 01:27:52.185 --> 01:27:53.705 I started going back through the clips, 01:27:54.062 --> 01:27:56.272 and I had a little time last week finally. 01:27:56.356 --> 01:27:58.983 So, um, I found that. 01:28:00.276 --> 01:28:02.028 It's from '93. 01:28:11.955 --> 01:28:12.997 That it? 01:28:15.500 --> 01:28:17.502 Yeah. Yeah, that's it. 01:28:20.004 --> 01:28:21.047 Good night. 01:28:22.256 --> 01:28:24.092 Okay, good night. 01:29:03.464 --> 01:29:05.383 So, I was probably a few years after you, right? 01:29:05.550 --> 01:29:07.844 No, you were more than a few. 01:29:07.927 --> 01:29:09.095 (CHUCKLES) Believe me. 01:29:09.971 --> 01:29:12.890 Well, after BC High, I came down to Providence 01:29:13.057 --> 01:29:14.475 and played hockey for the Friars. 01:29:15.101 --> 01:29:17.478 Oh, well, you must have been pretty good. 01:29:17.645 --> 01:29:19.981 No. Rode the bench in college. Yeah. Oh. 01:29:20.398 --> 01:29:21.607 But I loved the city. 01:29:22.025 --> 01:29:23.818 Oh. And we just had our third kid. 01:29:24.444 --> 01:29:26.112 And I still get my Globe, for the record. 01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:28.781 Oh, that's good to know. Good to know. 01:29:29.657 --> 01:29:33.661 Look, Kevin, uh, that's actually why I'm here. 01:29:35.204 --> 01:29:39.459 I need to ask you some questions about Father Talbot. 01:29:46.674 --> 01:29:48.092 How'd you find out? 01:29:49.510 --> 01:29:50.803 Well... 01:29:51.721 --> 01:29:53.556 I guess it doesn't matter. 01:29:58.978 --> 01:30:01.981 And I never even told my wife. 01:30:03.149 --> 01:30:04.817 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) Excuse me. 01:30:10.114 --> 01:30:12.194 Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! I need to get in there. 01:30:12.241 --> 01:30:13.743 We're closed. Come on, let me in. Five minutes. 01:30:13.826 --> 01:30:15.161 I'm sorry, we're closed. 01:30:15.286 --> 01:30:16.579 Come on. Five minutes. 01:30:25.254 --> 01:30:26.255 Hello. 01:30:31.886 --> 01:30:33.346 Here. 01:30:36.557 --> 01:30:38.351 This is the Geoghan case? That's right. 01:30:39.185 --> 01:30:40.770 Those records are sealed. No. 01:30:40.937 --> 01:30:43.564 That's a public motion. Those records are public. 01:30:43.648 --> 01:30:44.857 Look, I work for the Globe. 01:30:45.858 --> 01:30:46.943 Good for you. 01:30:49.028 --> 01:30:50.404 Can I talk to your supervisor? 01:30:50.530 --> 01:30:51.948 He's not in today. 01:30:52.448 --> 01:30:53.658 What about a judge? 01:30:53.741 --> 01:30:56.035 There must be judges that work on this kind of thing. 01:30:56.536 --> 01:30:57.912 Sixth floor. 01:31:05.294 --> 01:31:07.894 We understand the nature of the allegations against Father Talbot. 01:31:08.381 --> 01:31:11.467 I'm just not sure what you want from President Kemeza. 01:31:12.218 --> 01:31:14.220 Talbot taught here long before Bill took over. 01:31:14.387 --> 01:31:16.848 Mmm. Of course. We just want to know 01:31:16.931 --> 01:31:18.724 if it's possible that the president, 01:31:18.891 --> 01:31:20.226 the faculty, the board, 01:31:20.309 --> 01:31:22.109 that no one knew what was going on at the time. 01:31:22.145 --> 01:31:26.482 I graduated in 1979, and I had no idea about any of this. 01:31:26.899 --> 01:31:29.068 So if you're suggesting that Father Gibbons and Father Callahan 01:31:29.152 --> 01:31:30.319 had in any way... 01:31:30.403 --> 01:31:32.280 Gibbons and Callahan... 01:31:32.363 --> 01:31:34.240 I mean, they ran this place like the navy. 01:31:34.991 --> 01:31:36.242 Do you really think they didn't know? 01:31:36.409 --> 01:31:37.410 (CHUCKLES) 01:31:37.493 --> 01:31:39.495 It's a big school, Robby. You know that. 01:31:40.246 --> 01:31:42.915 And we're talking about seven alleged victims 01:31:43.082 --> 01:31:44.417 over, what, eight years. 01:31:44.584 --> 01:31:47.753 We're talking about seven that we know about. 01:31:48.045 --> 01:31:49.755 (SCOFFS) This is ridiculous. 01:31:50.381 --> 01:31:52.541 You're reaching for a story here. We cannot possibly... 01:31:52.592 --> 01:31:55.511 Jack. Jack. Jack. If I had been president then, 01:31:55.595 --> 01:31:56.762 I would've known. 01:31:57.430 --> 01:31:59.265 Bill, I'm not sure that's relevant. 01:31:59.432 --> 01:32:02.101 Why do you think they sent Talbot up to Cheverus? 01:32:02.935 --> 01:32:04.937 You know they wanted him out of town. 01:32:06.272 --> 01:32:10.026 (CLEARS THROAT) Robby, as well intentioned as Bill's remarks are, 01:32:10.109 --> 01:32:11.819 I'm hoping we can keep this between us 01:32:11.944 --> 01:32:13.696 until we all get on the same page. 01:32:17.408 --> 01:32:19.288 Is that why we're here, to get on the same page? 01:32:19.911 --> 01:32:21.954 No, we're here because you're an important alumnus, Robby, 01:32:22.038 --> 01:32:23.206 and a friend. 01:32:23.289 --> 01:32:26.667 Exactly, and we know you care about this school as much as we do. 01:32:28.961 --> 01:32:30.463 Did you play a sport here, Jack? 01:32:31.088 --> 01:32:32.798 Yeah. Football. Why? 01:32:33.257 --> 01:32:34.967 ROBBY: Mmm. I ran track. 01:32:35.051 --> 01:32:37.220 You know, I went to Providence yesterday 01:32:37.345 --> 01:32:39.472 to talk to one of Father Talbot's victims. 01:32:39.555 --> 01:32:40.973 He played hockey here. 01:32:41.432 --> 01:32:43.392 And, uh, he's one of the better ones. 01:32:43.476 --> 01:32:46.437 He's got a wife, kids, good job. 01:32:48.481 --> 01:32:51.984 About 10 minutes into the conversation, 01:32:52.068 --> 01:32:53.319 the guy breaks down. 01:32:53.903 --> 01:32:55.655 You know, couldn't stop crying. 01:32:57.281 --> 01:33:00.493 Said he could never figure out why Father Talbot picked him. 01:33:02.828 --> 01:33:05.331 Father Talbot coached the hockey team. 01:33:07.416 --> 01:33:08.668 So, 01:33:10.044 --> 01:33:11.462 I guess we just got lucky. 01:33:12.755 --> 01:33:14.507 You and me. 01:33:20.596 --> 01:33:22.265 Does Jack Dunn work for the school? 01:33:22.390 --> 01:33:24.100 No, he's PR for Boston College. 01:33:24.308 --> 01:33:26.018 They call him when they need help. 01:33:26.185 --> 01:33:28.104 And Pete Conley? Why was he there? 01:33:28.271 --> 01:33:29.272 Good question. 01:33:29.355 --> 01:33:31.315 Pete's a big alum, but I called Bill directly, 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:33.067 and I asked for a sit-down. 01:33:33.150 --> 01:33:34.944 I never mentioned anybody else. 01:33:36.445 --> 01:33:38.364 It's like everybody already knows the story. 01:33:38.531 --> 01:33:39.740 Yeah. 01:33:39.824 --> 01:33:42.118 Except us. And we work right there. 01:33:45.955 --> 01:33:47.373 Judge Volterra? Yes. 01:33:47.540 --> 01:33:49.709 Hi, I'm Mike Rezendes from The Boston Globe. 01:33:50.209 --> 01:33:51.419 Um, I'm having some trouble 01:33:51.502 --> 01:33:52.628 accessing some public records 01:33:52.795 --> 01:33:53.879 down in the records room. 01:33:53.963 --> 01:33:56.215 I was wondering if I could have a word with you? 01:33:56.299 --> 01:33:58.217 All right. Thank you. 01:34:00.594 --> 01:34:01.595 Thank you very much. 01:34:03.222 --> 01:34:06.559 These exhibits you're after, Mr. Rezendes, 01:34:07.560 --> 01:34:09.061 they're very sensitive records. 01:34:09.895 --> 01:34:11.230 With all due respect, Your Honor, 01:34:11.314 --> 01:34:13.232 that's not the question. 01:34:13.316 --> 01:34:14.567 The records are public. 01:34:15.901 --> 01:34:18.070 Maybe so, but tell me, 01:34:18.487 --> 01:34:20.406 where's the editorial responsibility 01:34:20.531 --> 01:34:22.408 in publishing records of this nature? 01:34:22.742 --> 01:34:26.871 Well, where's the editorial responsibility in not publishing them? 01:34:36.881 --> 01:34:39.342 MAN: You can't take those. You need to make copies. 01:34:39.425 --> 01:34:40.801 I'm going to the copy room. 01:34:40.885 --> 01:34:42.720 It closed at 4:00. 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:48.976 Look, I'll give you 01:34:51.020 --> 01:34:52.730 83 bucks to use yours. 01:34:58.819 --> 01:35:01.322 Hey, cabbie! (WHISTLING) 01:35:01.405 --> 01:35:04.408 Hey! Hey! Hey! 01:35:04.492 --> 01:35:05.826 (BRAKES SQUEALING) 01:35:07.036 --> 01:35:09.830 Take me to The Boston Globe on Morrissey Boulevard. 01:35:09.914 --> 01:35:13.000 Don't take 93. Take Dorchester Avenue. 01:35:14.752 --> 01:35:16.629 Robby, it's incredible! 01:35:16.837 --> 01:35:19.673 Law knew about Geoghan for years, no question. 01:35:19.757 --> 01:35:22.676 There's a letter to Law from a woman Margaret Gallant, 01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:25.805 who lived in Jamaica Plain in the early '80s when Geoghan was there. 01:35:25.888 --> 01:35:27.223 Listen to this, 01:35:27.306 --> 01:35:29.558 "Our family is rooted in the Church, 01:35:29.642 --> 01:35:32.103 "our desire is to protect the Holy Orders, 01:35:32.728 --> 01:35:34.647 "even in the midst of our agony 01:35:34.814 --> 01:35:36.774 "over the seven boys in our family 01:35:36.857 --> 01:35:37.942 "who have been violated." 01:35:38.025 --> 01:35:40.319 Seven, Robby. Seven boys. 01:35:40.986 --> 01:35:43.239 "It was suggested we keep silent. 01:35:43.739 --> 01:35:46.784 "We did not question the authority of the Church two years ago, 01:35:46.867 --> 01:35:49.829 "but since Father Geoghan is still in his parish..." 01:35:49.912 --> 01:35:53.499 But she sent it to Law, and Law did shit. 01:35:53.916 --> 01:35:56.669 Here's another one to Law, same year. Listen to this, 01:35:57.420 --> 01:35:59.755 "A word on the recent assignment of Father Geoghan 01:35:59.839 --> 01:36:02.883 "as an associate at St. Julia's in Weston. 01:36:02.967 --> 01:36:07.263 "Father Geoghan has a history of homosexual involvement with young boys. 01:36:07.346 --> 01:36:09.682 "I understand his recent departure from St. Brendan's 01:36:09.765 --> 01:36:11.559 "may be related to this problem. 01:36:11.642 --> 01:36:14.728 "I wonder if Father Geoghan should not be reduced to just weekend work 01:36:14.812 --> 01:36:17.022 "while receiving some kind of therapy. 01:36:17.106 --> 01:36:19.608 "You know how grateful I am to you for your constant concern. 01:36:19.775 --> 01:36:21.569 "Sincerely yours in our Lord, 01:36:21.652 --> 01:36:25.114 "Most Reverend John M. Darcy, Auxiliary Bishop of Boston. 01:36:25.197 --> 01:36:26.740 "December 7, 1984." 01:36:26.824 --> 01:36:28.534 An auxiliary bishop wrote that? 01:36:28.701 --> 01:36:30.077 That's incredible. 01:36:30.286 --> 01:36:31.328 He broke ranks. 01:36:31.412 --> 01:36:33.205 I mean, when did Gallant write her letter? 01:36:33.289 --> 01:36:35.249 1984. And Law just ignored it. 01:36:35.916 --> 01:36:37.585 How do you ignore that freakin' letter? 01:36:37.835 --> 01:36:39.170 We got 'em. 01:36:39.378 --> 01:36:42.047 You can't read these letters and think anything else. It's proof. 01:36:42.131 --> 01:36:43.883 Yeah. It is. 01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:46.302 This is good work. 01:36:46.886 --> 01:36:48.471 MIKE: Should we take it up to Ben? 01:36:49.180 --> 01:36:50.181 Uh... 01:36:50.264 --> 01:36:51.932 No. Not yet. 01:36:52.600 --> 01:36:55.686 Why not? We got Law. This is it. 01:36:56.228 --> 01:36:57.980 No, this is Law covering for one priest. 01:36:58.063 --> 01:36:59.356 There's another 90 out there. 01:36:59.690 --> 01:37:01.442 Yeah, and we'll print that story when we get it, 01:37:01.525 --> 01:37:02.725 but we gotta go with this now. 01:37:03.152 --> 01:37:04.987 No, I'm not going to rush this story, Mike. 01:37:05.070 --> 01:37:06.322 We don't have a choice, Robby. 01:37:06.655 --> 01:37:08.073 If we don't rush to print, 01:37:08.157 --> 01:37:10.743 somebody else is gonna find these letters and butcher the story. 01:37:10.826 --> 01:37:12.119 Joe Quimby from the Herald 01:37:12.203 --> 01:37:13.746 was at the freakin' courthouse. 01:37:13.996 --> 01:37:15.581 ROBBY: So we'll write a holding story, 01:37:15.664 --> 01:37:16.874 and we'll keep our eye on the Herald. 01:37:16.957 --> 01:37:18.042 Keep our eye on the Herald? 01:37:18.125 --> 01:37:20.836 They run this and they get it wrong, the Church will bury it. 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:22.880 We gotta do this now. Mike, Mike... 01:37:22.963 --> 01:37:25.382 What? Why are we hesitating? 01:37:25.466 --> 01:37:27.676 Baron told us to get Law. This is Law. 01:37:27.760 --> 01:37:29.637 Baron told us to get the system. 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:31.305 We need the full scope. 01:37:31.388 --> 01:37:33.516 That's the only thing that will put an end to this. 01:37:33.641 --> 01:37:35.401 Then let's take it up to Ben, let him decide. 01:37:35.601 --> 01:37:37.353 We'll take it to Ben when I say it's time. 01:37:37.436 --> 01:37:39.980 It's time, Robby. It's time! 01:37:41.273 --> 01:37:44.860 They knew and they let it happen. To kids! 01:37:45.611 --> 01:37:48.113 Okay? It could've been you! It could've been me! 01:37:48.197 --> 01:37:50.241 It could have been any of us! 01:37:51.033 --> 01:37:52.618 We gotta nail these scumbags! 01:37:52.701 --> 01:37:55.829 We gotta show people that nobody can get away with this! 01:37:55.913 --> 01:37:59.250 Not a priest or a Cardinal or a freaking Pope! 01:38:02.044 --> 01:38:03.087 You finished? 01:38:04.046 --> 01:38:06.882 Yeah, I am. This is bullshit. 01:38:08.968 --> 01:38:10.135 (DOOR SLAMMING) 01:38:27.027 --> 01:38:28.028 Oh... 01:38:33.909 --> 01:38:35.119 (SIGHING) 01:38:36.662 --> 01:38:37.663 You okay? 01:38:40.666 --> 01:38:42.251 Mmm... (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 01:38:48.257 --> 01:38:49.300 Hey, Hansi. 01:38:50.134 --> 01:38:52.052 Hard day at work, Mike? 01:38:56.599 --> 01:38:58.183 Here. Thank you. 01:38:59.059 --> 01:39:01.604 I don't know why I got so pissed off. 01:39:01.687 --> 01:39:03.105 You know, I think Robby's wrong. 01:39:03.188 --> 01:39:05.190 You know, you're just... 01:39:05.274 --> 01:39:06.942 You care about the story, Mike. We all do. 01:39:08.986 --> 01:39:11.196 Yeah, I guess. SACHA: Mmm. 01:39:13.824 --> 01:39:15.909 I stopped going to church with my Nana. 01:39:17.995 --> 01:39:19.580 It was... It was too hard. 01:39:20.414 --> 01:39:22.374 You know, I'd be sitting there, 01:39:22.541 --> 01:39:24.501 and I'd start thinking about Joe Crowley 01:39:24.585 --> 01:39:26.211 or someone else and I just... 01:39:27.046 --> 01:39:28.255 I just got so angry. 01:39:29.632 --> 01:39:31.550 Did you tell her why? 01:39:32.968 --> 01:39:35.054 She goes to church three times a week, Mike. 01:39:37.806 --> 01:39:38.807 (SIGHING) 01:39:40.184 --> 01:39:42.186 It really pisses me off. 01:39:43.604 --> 01:39:44.605 You know, 01:39:46.565 --> 01:39:49.818 I actually really liked going to church when I was a little kid. 01:39:50.778 --> 01:39:51.779 Mmm. 01:39:51.945 --> 01:39:53.280 Why'd you stop? 01:39:53.447 --> 01:39:54.782 Typical shit. 01:39:56.492 --> 01:39:58.619 But the weird thing is, 01:40:01.664 --> 01:40:03.248 I think I... 01:40:04.208 --> 01:40:08.587 I think I figured that maybe one day... (CHUCKLES) 01:40:08.671 --> 01:40:10.714 I would actually go back. 01:40:12.675 --> 01:40:14.927 I was really... I was holding on to that. 01:40:15.010 --> 01:40:16.011 Mmm. 01:40:17.429 --> 01:40:20.265 I read those letters, and... 01:40:21.100 --> 01:40:24.603 And something just cracked. 01:40:26.188 --> 01:40:28.357 It's a shitty feeling. Yeah. 01:40:29.775 --> 01:40:31.985 It's a shitty feeling. 01:40:33.946 --> 01:40:35.364 (MUSIC PLAYING) 01:40:35.447 --> 01:40:37.116 Looks like a long day. 01:40:37.241 --> 01:40:39.535 Hey, Pete. I'm sorry to make it longer. 01:40:39.618 --> 01:40:40.994 (CHUCKLES) Brian. 01:40:42.162 --> 01:40:44.498 Has anyone ever said no to a drink with you, Pete? 01:40:44.832 --> 01:40:45.833 (LAUGHING) 01:40:45.958 --> 01:40:49.461 Well, sure. But the trick is to keep asking. 01:40:49.712 --> 01:40:50.796 For Boston. 01:40:50.921 --> 01:40:51.964 (CLINKING) Boston. 01:40:53.340 --> 01:40:54.341 Mmm. 01:40:54.883 --> 01:40:57.886 So, you here for the Cardinal? 01:40:58.220 --> 01:41:00.514 Oh, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't... 01:41:00.597 --> 01:41:03.183 I wouldn't presume to speak for the Cardinal. No. 01:41:04.977 --> 01:41:06.395 You know, (CLEARS THROAT) 01:41:06.478 --> 01:41:08.564 you got a lot of people here who respect you, Robby, 01:41:08.731 --> 01:41:10.524 the work you do. 01:41:11.316 --> 01:41:12.735 That's good to know. 01:41:12.818 --> 01:41:14.570 You know, it's because you care about this place. 01:41:14.653 --> 01:41:16.655 It's why you do what you do. It's who you are. 01:41:17.865 --> 01:41:21.243 You know, but people need the Church, 01:41:21.326 --> 01:41:22.536 more than ever right now. 01:41:23.370 --> 01:41:24.997 You know, you can feel it. 01:41:25.581 --> 01:41:27.249 And the Cardinal... 01:41:28.667 --> 01:41:31.170 You know, the Cardinal, he might not be perfect, 01:41:32.212 --> 01:41:33.630 but we can't throw out all the good 01:41:33.714 --> 01:41:35.340 he's doing over a few bad apples. 01:41:37.426 --> 01:41:39.094 Now, you know, I'm bringing this up to you 01:41:39.261 --> 01:41:42.890 because I know this is Baron's idea, his agenda. 01:41:43.265 --> 01:41:44.933 I gotta tell ya, I mean, honest to God, 01:41:45.017 --> 01:41:47.770 I mean, he doesn't care about this city the way we do. 01:41:48.437 --> 01:41:49.605 I mean, how could he? 01:41:56.570 --> 01:41:59.573 This is how it happens, isn't it, Pete? What's that? 01:42:00.032 --> 01:42:01.575 A guy leans on a guy, 01:42:01.742 --> 01:42:03.702 and suddenly the whole town 01:42:03.786 --> 01:42:05.370 just looks the other way. 01:42:07.039 --> 01:42:10.125 Robby. Robby, look it, 01:42:11.543 --> 01:42:14.588 Marty Baron is just trying to make his mark. 01:42:14.671 --> 01:42:17.299 He's gonna be here for a couple of years, and he's gonna move on. 01:42:17.382 --> 01:42:19.760 Just like he did in New York and Miami. 01:42:21.804 --> 01:42:23.639 Where're you gonna go? 01:42:25.307 --> 01:42:26.308 Hmm? 01:42:28.602 --> 01:42:30.729 Good night, Robby. Brian. 01:42:32.064 --> 01:42:34.566 Hey, Pete. Yeah? 01:42:34.900 --> 01:42:35.901 Uh... 01:42:36.693 --> 01:42:40.989 When we do run the story, uh, I'm gonna need a comment from the Cardinal. 01:42:43.283 --> 01:42:45.744 We'll talk again later. Good night, Robby. 01:42:45.911 --> 01:42:47.496 Good night, Pete. 01:42:54.586 --> 01:42:55.921 (PHONE RINGING) 01:42:57.798 --> 01:42:59.049 Robby. 01:43:00.592 --> 01:43:01.593 What? 01:43:02.594 --> 01:43:04.680 No shit. When? 01:43:05.597 --> 01:43:06.598 (EXHALES) 01:43:06.682 --> 01:43:08.684 Okay. Yeah. 01:43:11.728 --> 01:43:12.938 Hey! 01:43:13.939 --> 01:43:15.274 What's up? 01:43:16.441 --> 01:43:18.235 Sweeney ruled in our favor. 01:43:18.735 --> 01:43:20.737 She ruled to unseal the documents. 01:43:22.489 --> 01:43:23.490 Jeez! 01:43:27.452 --> 01:43:28.972 The Church has already filed an appeal, 01:43:29.121 --> 01:43:32.124 but the trial court ruling is generally upheld in these matters. 01:43:32.791 --> 01:43:34.668 And when would we get the documents? 01:43:35.669 --> 01:43:37.921 Probably takes Cohen a few weeks to rule, 01:43:38.005 --> 01:43:39.381 then there's a redaction process. 01:43:40.132 --> 01:43:43.385 Uh, I'd say they'd be made public mid-January. 01:43:44.094 --> 01:43:45.304 Okay. All right. 01:43:45.387 --> 01:43:46.471 Thanks, Jon. You bet. 01:43:46.555 --> 01:43:47.764 Nice work. Thanks. 01:43:48.432 --> 01:43:50.100 Metro should run something, Marty. 01:43:50.559 --> 01:43:51.894 We can't run this one big. 01:43:52.686 --> 01:43:55.480 Why wouldn't we? It's a major First Amendment victory. 01:43:55.647 --> 01:43:56.732 Not to mention, you get 01:43:56.815 --> 01:43:57.900 an Irish Catholic judge 01:43:58.066 --> 01:43:59.276 ruling against the Church? 01:43:59.443 --> 01:44:01.403 That's a hell of a precedent. MARTY: Mmm-hmm. 01:44:02.029 --> 01:44:04.072 We don't want the Herald going deep on this. 01:44:04.907 --> 01:44:05.908 Why's that? 01:44:08.076 --> 01:44:10.203 You're gonna have to step out, Peter. 01:44:10.287 --> 01:44:11.788 I'm not stepping out. 01:44:12.581 --> 01:44:13.582 (SCOFFS) 01:44:20.213 --> 01:44:21.214 Peter. 01:44:34.478 --> 01:44:35.687 (SIGHING) 01:44:35.812 --> 01:44:37.773 When did you, uh... A couple of weeks ago. 01:44:37.981 --> 01:44:39.483 A couple of weeks? 01:44:39.650 --> 01:44:41.234 Yeah. BEN: And you're telling us now? 01:44:41.401 --> 01:44:42.986 These are substantial. 01:44:44.112 --> 01:44:46.365 They clearly show that Law was negligent. 01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:49.618 I need more time. I wanna keep digging. 01:44:49.993 --> 01:44:51.411 For what? This is the goddamn story. 01:44:51.578 --> 01:44:52.663 ROBBY: It's not the whole story. 01:44:52.829 --> 01:44:54.498 Tough shit. We're on a clock now. 01:44:54.831 --> 01:44:55.999 Even if we don't run Sweeney's ruling, 01:44:56.166 --> 01:44:58.293 another paper could find these letters and fuck the story. 01:44:58.377 --> 01:44:59.461 Agreed. 01:44:59.544 --> 01:45:00.671 But we run these letters alone, 01:45:00.754 --> 01:45:02.965 Law apologizes, says it's a one-time thing. 01:45:03.048 --> 01:45:04.049 He can bury it. 01:45:04.257 --> 01:45:07.052 How? These clearly show he knew and did nothing about it. 01:45:07.135 --> 01:45:10.222 Look, I'm close to stories on 70 priests. 01:45:10.889 --> 01:45:13.475 We nail that, along with those letters, 01:45:13.642 --> 01:45:16.395 this is proof this is bigger than Law. 01:45:17.104 --> 01:45:18.563 It's the whole system. 01:45:19.523 --> 01:45:22.025 You have multiple sources confirming all those priests? 01:45:22.859 --> 01:45:24.528 On some. I can get more. 01:45:24.736 --> 01:45:27.572 Too risky. If we're not buttoned up on every single one of them, 01:45:27.739 --> 01:45:29.241 the Church will pick us apart. 01:45:31.118 --> 01:45:32.160 I think I can get us someone 01:45:32.244 --> 01:45:33.524 from the other side of the aisle. 01:45:33.996 --> 01:45:35.580 Somebody inside the Church? 01:45:36.498 --> 01:45:37.666 Yeah, a lawyer. 01:45:38.166 --> 01:45:39.543 Will he go on the record? 01:45:39.626 --> 01:45:42.587 (SNIFFS) Deep background. But he's a solid source. 01:45:46.383 --> 01:45:48.301 Rezendes needs time to write the story. 01:45:48.927 --> 01:45:51.430 We don't wanna drop it at Christmas, not after 9/11. 01:45:52.806 --> 01:45:54.516 We could run it just after New Year's, 01:45:55.100 --> 01:45:57.310 before they release the rest of the documents. 01:46:01.023 --> 01:46:02.024 All right. 01:46:03.191 --> 01:46:05.694 Tell Canellos to bury the ruling in Metro. 01:46:07.571 --> 01:46:08.989 You got six weeks. 01:46:09.823 --> 01:46:11.408 Thank you. 01:46:11.783 --> 01:46:13.785 Tell Mike I want a draft by Christmas. 01:46:14.369 --> 01:46:16.038 And we need a response from Lake Street. 01:46:16.204 --> 01:46:18.415 Who does PR for the Cardinal? Still John Walsh? 01:46:18.582 --> 01:46:20.125 No, somebody new, Donna Morrisey. 01:46:20.208 --> 01:46:21.877 She came from TV. She's young. 01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:23.045 Good, get a quote. 01:46:23.128 --> 01:46:24.755 We need something from Law to appear even-handed. 01:46:24.921 --> 01:46:27.132 Robby, next time give me a goddamn heads-up. 01:46:27.299 --> 01:46:28.508 Will do. 01:46:29.593 --> 01:46:35.474 CHOIR: (SINGING) Silent night, holy night 01:46:37.392 --> 01:46:40.270 All is calm 01:46:41.354 --> 01:46:43.482 All is bright 01:46:45.358 --> 01:46:51.907 Round yon virgin, mother and child 01:46:53.408 --> 01:47:00.373 Holy infant, so tender and mild 01:47:01.208 --> 01:47:06.421 Sleep in heavenly peace (SOBBING) 01:47:08.590 --> 01:47:13.386 Sleep in heavenly peace 01:47:15.597 --> 01:47:21.853 Silent night, holy night 01:47:23.563 --> 01:47:26.858 Shepherds quake 01:47:27.359 --> 01:47:30.737 At the sight 01:47:31.363 --> 01:47:37.035 Glory streams from heaven above 01:47:39.746 --> 01:47:45.085 Heavenly hosts sing Hallelujah 01:47:48.755 --> 01:47:49.756 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 01:47:51.800 --> 01:47:53.844 Oh, Robby. What a nice surprise. 01:47:54.719 --> 01:47:56.221 Come on in. 01:47:58.765 --> 01:48:00.934 (TV PLAYING) 01:48:02.727 --> 01:48:05.397 Hey, hon, look who I found outside. 01:48:08.567 --> 01:48:09.818 Karen, can you give us a minute? 01:48:12.154 --> 01:48:13.238 Sure. 01:48:13.864 --> 01:48:14.990 Good to see you, Karen. 01:48:18.076 --> 01:48:19.077 What's up? 01:48:34.593 --> 01:48:36.219 I'm out of time, Jim. 01:48:37.429 --> 01:48:40.223 We've got cover-up stories on 70 priests, 01:48:40.682 --> 01:48:42.684 but the boss isn't gonna run it 01:48:42.809 --> 01:48:44.853 unless I get confirmation from your side. 01:48:47.063 --> 01:48:48.857 Are you out of your mind? 01:48:49.024 --> 01:48:51.276 Come on. This is our town, Jimmy. 01:48:51.693 --> 01:48:55.447 Everybody knew something was going on, and no one did a thing. 01:48:56.698 --> 01:48:57.738 We gotta put an end to it. 01:48:58.116 --> 01:49:00.118 Don't tell me what I gotta do. 01:49:00.785 --> 01:49:03.622 Yeah, I helped defend these scumbags, but that's my job, Robby. 01:49:03.872 --> 01:49:05.957 I was doing my job! 01:49:07.125 --> 01:49:08.126 Yeah. 01:49:09.461 --> 01:49:10.921 You and everyone else. 01:49:19.804 --> 01:49:21.306 Get out of my house. 01:49:32.400 --> 01:49:33.401 JIM: Hey! 01:49:35.487 --> 01:49:37.906 You come to my home and lay this shit on me! 01:49:39.157 --> 01:49:40.492 You were right, Robby. 01:49:41.326 --> 01:49:43.453 We all knew somethin' was going on. 01:49:44.162 --> 01:49:45.622 So where were you? 01:49:46.790 --> 01:49:48.333 What took you so long? 01:49:54.839 --> 01:49:56.675 I don't know, Jim. 01:50:01.554 --> 01:50:02.722 Give me the list. 01:50:59.487 --> 01:51:01.197 MIKE: Larry, we're going to press in six hours. 01:51:01.281 --> 01:51:02.324 MATT: Donna Morrisey said she'd called us 01:51:02.407 --> 01:51:03.647 with a quote from Law hours ago. 01:51:03.700 --> 01:51:05.702 That's what I thought. When did you talk to her? 01:51:06.202 --> 01:51:07.537 Okay, okay, Larry. 01:51:08.204 --> 01:51:09.956 Yeah. Yeah, that's good to know. 01:51:10.582 --> 01:51:12.334 Thanks, Pete. Anything? 01:51:12.917 --> 01:51:15.757 Conley said Donna Morrisey should have called, he just left Lake Street. 01:51:15.920 --> 01:51:17.839 Yeah, Rasky said the same thing. 01:51:17.922 --> 01:51:19.924 This is ridiculous. You'd think they'd wanna get ahead of this. 01:51:20.008 --> 01:51:21.634 I mean, they'd be idiots not to. 01:51:22.260 --> 01:51:25.388 I would love to see their faces when they read this thing then. 01:51:25.555 --> 01:51:27.557 You know, Sunday's the feast of the Epiphany. 01:51:28.224 --> 01:51:30.435 It seems appropriate. (PHONE RINGING) 01:51:35.857 --> 01:51:36.858 Mike Rezendes. 01:51:38.818 --> 01:51:41.237 Hey, Donna. Thanks for calling. 01:51:41.321 --> 01:51:44.282 Yeah, I just had a few questions if you have a minute. 01:51:46.201 --> 01:51:47.202 What? 01:51:48.828 --> 01:51:50.997 What? Another adjective. 01:51:52.832 --> 01:51:54.793 Anything? Law just turned us down. 01:51:54.959 --> 01:51:56.294 Jesus Christ. 01:51:56.461 --> 01:51:58.004 I just got off the phone with Donna Morrisey. 01:51:58.088 --> 01:52:00.423 She said, quote, we don't even want to know 01:52:00.507 --> 01:52:01.827 what the questions are, end quote. 01:52:01.966 --> 01:52:03.885 She really said that? Yeah. 01:52:04.135 --> 01:52:05.136 Well, that oughta do it. 01:52:05.303 --> 01:52:06.679 MARTY: "The Church had no interest 01:52:06.846 --> 01:52:09.849 "in knowing what the Globe's questions would be." 01:52:11.184 --> 01:52:13.520 Work it in somewhere before the jump. Anything else? 01:52:13.978 --> 01:52:15.730 Uh, Matt wants to put the letters online, 01:52:15.814 --> 01:52:17.315 so the readers can see for themselves. 01:52:17.774 --> 01:52:19.776 We can run the URL at the bottom of the article. 01:52:19.943 --> 01:52:21.736 It's pretty straightforward. Okay. 01:52:21.903 --> 01:52:23.988 We also put the Spotlight tip line at the end of the story 01:52:24.155 --> 01:52:25.365 so people can call in. 01:52:25.448 --> 01:52:26.741 Goes directly to our office. 01:52:26.991 --> 01:52:29.160 Matt and I can go in in the morning in case we get any calls. 01:52:29.327 --> 01:52:31.487 Yeah, I'm more concerned about the phones at reception. 01:52:31.579 --> 01:52:32.747 After we ran the Porter case, 01:52:32.831 --> 01:52:34.666 the message centers were tied up for weeks. 01:52:34.833 --> 01:52:36.673 It's a real problem. There were picketers, too. 01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:38.044 Lots of 'em. 01:52:38.128 --> 01:52:40.547 I'll talk to Richard about the security and the phones. 01:52:40.797 --> 01:52:43.216 Uh, how are we coming on the folo story? 01:52:44.175 --> 01:52:45.593 Well, we've nailed down multiple stories 01:52:45.677 --> 01:52:46.678 on 70 priests. 01:52:47.887 --> 01:52:49.180 All 70? SACHA: Mmm-hmm. 01:52:49.597 --> 01:52:52.157 And with the confirmation from Robby's source, we're ready to go. 01:52:52.308 --> 01:52:53.468 We can have a draft next week. 01:52:53.518 --> 01:52:56.104 Uh, Robby, that source of yours, 01:52:56.187 --> 01:52:57.467 is it something we could revisit? 01:52:59.983 --> 01:53:01.151 He might be tough. 01:53:01.234 --> 01:53:02.794 But he has no problem helping the Church 01:53:02.902 --> 01:53:04.446 protect dozens of dirty priests. 01:53:04.612 --> 01:53:07.240 Guy's a scumbag. He's a lawyer, he's doing his job. 01:53:07.407 --> 01:53:08.533 He's a shill for the Church. 01:53:08.700 --> 01:53:09.826 BEN: He knew and did nothing. 01:53:09.993 --> 01:53:12.328 MIKE: He could've said something years ago. Maybe saved some lives. 01:53:12.412 --> 01:53:13.663 What about us? 01:53:15.123 --> 01:53:16.291 What's that supposed to mean? 01:53:16.666 --> 01:53:18.793 We had all the pieces. (CLEARS THROAT) 01:53:18.877 --> 01:53:19.997 Why didn't we get it sooner? 01:53:20.295 --> 01:53:21.296 We didn't have all the pieces. 01:53:21.463 --> 01:53:24.466 We had Saviano, we had Barrett, we had Geoghan. 01:53:24.549 --> 01:53:26.069 We had the directories in the basement. 01:53:26.384 --> 01:53:27.504 You know what? We got it now. 01:53:27.552 --> 01:53:29.637 Robby, the story needed Spotlight. 01:53:30.472 --> 01:53:32.807 Mike, Spotlight's been around since 1970. 01:53:33.057 --> 01:53:36.186 So what? We couldn't see the scope of this. No one could. 01:53:36.269 --> 01:53:38.438 Robby, this started with one goddamn priest. 01:53:41.232 --> 01:53:43.943 Macleish sent us a letter on 20 priests, years ago. 01:53:44.110 --> 01:53:45.820 Sacha found the clip. 01:53:46.571 --> 01:53:48.031 You freaking kidding me? 20 priests? 01:53:48.656 --> 01:53:49.699 BEN: When? 01:53:51.242 --> 01:53:53.786 Uh, just after Porter. December '93. 01:53:54.120 --> 01:53:56.372 We buried the story in Metro. No folo. 01:53:57.790 --> 01:53:59.125 That was you. 01:54:01.127 --> 01:54:02.253 You were Metro. 01:54:03.421 --> 01:54:05.423 Yeah. That was me. 01:54:06.299 --> 01:54:08.718 I'd just taken over. I don't remember it at all. 01:54:10.261 --> 01:54:11.596 But yeah... 01:54:15.099 --> 01:54:16.476 MARTY: Um... 01:54:16.559 --> 01:54:19.062 Can I say something here? 01:54:20.730 --> 01:54:22.273 Sometimes it's easy to forget 01:54:22.440 --> 01:54:25.193 that we spend most of our time stumbling around in the dark. 01:54:26.361 --> 01:54:28.196 Suddenly a light gets turned on, 01:54:28.279 --> 01:54:30.657 and there's a fair share of blame to go around. 01:54:32.784 --> 01:54:35.078 I can't speak to what happened before I arrived, 01:54:36.871 --> 01:54:39.541 but, um, all of you have done some very good reporting here. 01:54:40.458 --> 01:54:43.461 Reporting that I believe is gonna have an immediate 01:54:43.795 --> 01:54:46.798 and considerable impact on our readers. 01:54:48.258 --> 01:54:51.511 For me, this kind of story is why we do this. 01:54:52.262 --> 01:54:55.223 Having said that, Cardinal Law and the Catholic community 01:54:55.390 --> 01:54:57.642 are gonna have a very strong response to this. 01:54:58.977 --> 01:55:00.979 So if you need a moment, 01:55:02.021 --> 01:55:03.022 you've earned it. 01:55:05.358 --> 01:55:07.485 But I will need you back here Monday morning 01:55:07.569 --> 01:55:10.989 focused and ready to do your job. 01:55:16.578 --> 01:55:17.996 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 01:55:19.205 --> 01:55:20.206 Leaving? 01:55:21.082 --> 01:55:22.083 Yeah. 01:55:27.839 --> 01:55:30.258 I, uh, just got a call from the Cardinal. 01:55:30.675 --> 01:55:32.510 Really. Why? 01:55:32.594 --> 01:55:33.970 He wanted to tell me personally 01:55:34.095 --> 01:55:35.430 that he decided not to comment. 01:55:36.180 --> 01:55:40.685 Yeah, said he wanted to extend me that courtesy. 01:55:40.852 --> 01:55:43.605 Jesus, the balls on that guy. What did you say? 01:55:44.355 --> 01:55:45.982 I told him he was making a mistake, 01:55:46.065 --> 01:55:47.734 and that we were gonna run the story. 01:55:47.900 --> 01:55:49.527 Damn right we're gonna run it. 01:56:02.540 --> 01:56:04.042 (SIGHING) 01:56:14.552 --> 01:56:16.429 Sacha, can I have a drink of water? 01:56:17.639 --> 01:56:20.016 Yeah. Sure, Nana. Yeah. 01:56:31.277 --> 01:56:32.612 Can I keep this? 01:56:34.113 --> 01:56:35.239 Sure. 01:56:36.074 --> 01:56:37.825 I thought you should see it first. 01:56:37.950 --> 01:56:39.452 Thank you for bringing it by. 01:56:42.413 --> 01:56:44.916 I have some clients I have to attend to. 01:56:45.625 --> 01:56:47.168 (MITCH EXHALES) 01:57:02.975 --> 01:57:04.644 MITCH: Both kids were abused. 01:57:05.186 --> 01:57:07.188 Jamaica Plain. Two weeks ago. 01:57:09.190 --> 01:57:12.860 Keep doing your work, Mr. Rezendes. 01:57:14.779 --> 01:57:16.614 Hello. CHILDREN: Hello. 01:57:16.781 --> 01:57:19.200 How are you guys doing? We're good. 01:57:19.659 --> 01:57:20.660 MITCH: Good. 01:58:07.540 --> 01:58:09.542 MATT: Hey. Morning. 01:58:10.293 --> 01:58:11.461 How'd you sleep? 01:58:12.295 --> 01:58:13.838 Not very well. You? 01:58:14.046 --> 01:58:15.882 I haven't slept well for months. Mmm. 01:58:17.508 --> 01:58:19.886 Oh, thanks. I actually started writing. 01:58:20.678 --> 01:58:22.805 Writing? Yeah, I've been working on a book. 01:58:22.889 --> 01:58:24.682 Gives me something else to focus on. 01:58:24.849 --> 01:58:26.058 What kind of book? 01:58:26.350 --> 01:58:27.894 Horror. (CHUCKLES) 01:58:28.186 --> 01:58:30.271 (LAUGHS) (PHONE RINGING) 01:58:34.692 --> 01:58:35.735 Spotlight. 01:58:37.153 --> 01:58:39.447 Yeah. Yeah, of course. 01:58:39.530 --> 01:58:40.990 Can I get your name, please? 01:58:57.673 --> 01:58:59.091 You do know it's Sunday, right? 01:58:59.258 --> 01:59:00.885 I couldn't get a tee time. 01:59:03.888 --> 01:59:05.765 No picketers. Yeah. 01:59:06.390 --> 01:59:08.184 Probably still at church. 01:59:10.561 --> 01:59:11.938 Hey, Linda. 01:59:12.188 --> 01:59:13.272 It's quiet, huh? 01:59:13.356 --> 01:59:15.775 Yeah, easiest overtime I ever made. 01:59:15.858 --> 01:59:16.901 Phone hasn't rung once. 01:59:17.401 --> 01:59:19.445 Marty sent two of mine down to Spotlight. 01:59:23.241 --> 01:59:25.076 Great article, guys. BOTH: Thank you. 01:59:25.743 --> 01:59:26.911 Spotlight? 01:59:40.424 --> 01:59:41.968 (PHONES RINGING) 01:59:46.347 --> 01:59:48.015 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 01:59:50.476 --> 01:59:52.186 Okay. Send him over. 01:59:52.270 --> 01:59:53.396 WOMAN: Spotlight, can I help you? 01:59:53.479 --> 01:59:54.939 Phones have been ringing all morning. 01:59:57.775 --> 01:59:59.402 Mike, can you grab that? Yeah, yeah. 02:00:00.736 --> 02:00:02.738 They're almost all victims, Robby. 02:00:05.157 --> 02:00:06.659 I'm sorry to make you wait. 02:00:09.996 --> 02:00:11.330 It's very tough to talk about, I know... 02:00:11.497 --> 02:00:13.082 Yes, you can reach me here... 02:00:13.958 --> 02:00:15.293 This is Spotlight. 02:00:16.460 --> 02:00:18.087 (PHONES CONTINUE RINGING) 02:00:18.462 --> 02:00:21.299 (ALL CHATTERING INDISTINCTLY) 02:00:30.808 --> 02:00:31.934 Spotlight. 02:00:33.808 --> 02:00:54.934 جديدترين اخبار فيلم و سريال در کانال تلگرام و اینستاگرام سايت .:: @bollbolljan_com ::.