WEBVTT 00:00:23.056 --> 00:00:43.056 ..:: Presented By ZarFilm Website ::.. ‏.:: www.bolboljan.net ::. 00:01:25.080 --> 00:01:26.229 So? 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:27.829 This is the only alligator. 00:01:31.440 --> 00:01:34.477 Four minutes past. We walk in one minute. He was clear on that. 00:01:35.160 --> 00:01:36.229 He's coming. 00:01:44.240 --> 00:01:48.438 No, he's too young to have that kind of access. 00:02:02.880 --> 00:02:05.314 Uh, what time does the restaurant open? 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.551 Noon. But the food's a little too spicy. 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.029 This way. 00:02:31.560 --> 00:02:33.118 MAN : Excuse me. Uh-huh. 00:02:33.480 --> 00:02:34.480 MAN : Thank you. 00:02:34.600 --> 00:02:35.874 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 00:02:48.040 --> 00:02:49.189 Right here. 00:03:08.120 --> 00:03:11.271 (SIGHS) It's, uh, really great to finally meet you guys. 00:03:12.240 --> 00:03:16.074 So, first thing, can I get your cell phones, please? 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:18.589 Thank you. 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.874 We want Laura to be the only one recording, right? 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:23.678 As discussed? Thank you. 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.719 I actually bought this. It blocks UHF frequencies. 00:03:28.760 --> 00:03:30.273 (CAMERA BEEPS) 00:03:35.480 --> 00:03:37.118 You've been photographed before, right? 00:03:37.640 --> 00:03:40.871 Yeah, it's been a while since anybody took a photo of me, so... (LAUGHS) 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:42.837 LAURA : Try thinking of this as your friend. 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:44.234 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 00:03:45.160 --> 00:03:46.388 Take your time. 00:03:48.200 --> 00:03:49.315 (INHALES DEEPLY) Um... 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:53.190 Can you start by telling us why you did what you did 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.350 and, uh, how you gained access 00:03:55.440 --> 00:03:56.998 to such a vast amount of information, 00:03:57.160 --> 00:03:58.673 all of which I read on the plane 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.677 and... Glenn. 00:04:01.320 --> 00:04:04.471 Uh, how about we just start with your name? Okay? 00:04:07.880 --> 00:04:09.154 (INHALES DEEPLY) 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.830 My name is Edward Joseph Snowden. 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.389 I'm 29 years old. 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.029 I work as a private contractor for the NSA. 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:23.031 I've also worked as a private contractor 00:04:23.200 --> 00:04:27.637 for the CIA and directly for the Agency. 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.109 I've worked in various jobs in the intelligence industry 00:04:30.200 --> 00:04:31.872 for the last nine years. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.199 I've been a systems engineer, uh, been a solutions consultant... 00:04:37.320 --> 00:04:39.151 Uh... (ALL CALLING CADENCE) 00:04:39.320 --> 00:04:43.074 SNOWDEN : And a senior advisor for the Central Intelligence Agency. 00:04:43.840 --> 00:04:45.376 RECRUIT : Rangers... DRILL SERGEANT : Rangers... 00:04:45.400 --> 00:04:47.072 RECRUITS : Rangers... RECRUIT : Rangers... 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:48.496 DRILL SERGEANT : So you wanna be Special Forces? 00:04:48.520 --> 00:04:50.033 RECRUITS : Sir, yes, sir! 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.634 I think Special Forces would be ashamed 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:54.950 to call you soldiers. Am I right? 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:56.234 RECRUITS : Sir, no, sir! 00:04:56.320 --> 00:05:00.518 DRILL SERGEANT : Your left. Your left, right. Your left. 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:04.876 DRILL SERGEANT : (SINGING) Went from driving Cadillacs 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.277 RECRUITS : Went from driving Cadillacs 00:05:08.760 --> 00:05:12.435 DRILL SERGEANT : To driving convoys in Iraq 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.199 RECRUITS : To driving convoys in Iraq 00:05:15.400 --> 00:05:16.674 TRAINER : Move it, soldier! 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.593 (RECRUITS GRUNTING, PANTING) 00:05:20.400 --> 00:05:22.231 TRAINER : Go! Go! Move now! 00:05:23.760 --> 00:05:25.398 TRAINERS : Move! You better get going! 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:27.192 Pick it up, you waste of space! 00:05:27.760 --> 00:05:28.954 DRILL SERGEANT : Let's move! 00:05:31.200 --> 00:05:32.758 TRAINER : Come on, soldier! Go! 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:35.348 Come on, darling! 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:38.416 (SHOUTING) Snowden? What the hell are you doing? 00:05:38.440 --> 00:05:39.475 Nothing, sir! 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:41.391 Where is your fucking heart? Right here, sir! 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.000 I want you to reach way down in that pathetic excuse of a chest, 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:45.314 and you rip it out. 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:47.072 You find your heart, and then you get 00:05:47.200 --> 00:05:48.952 your broke ass on my tower! You got that? 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:50.040 Sir, yes, sir! 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.000 DRILL SERGEANT : Now get the fuck out of my face! 00:05:53.320 --> 00:05:56.312 I need you on my tower, gentlemen! Let's move! 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:01.597 TRAINER : Move! Move! Let's go! 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.678 (BANGING ON DOOR) DRILL SERGEANT : (SHOUTING) Rise and shine, maggots! 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.110 Get your hands off your dicks, and get the fuck out of my barracks! 00:06:08.200 --> 00:06:09.519 You guys got one minute! 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.795 Fall out! Move, move, move! 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:13.416 Get the hell out here! Get the hell out of my barracks! 00:06:13.440 --> 00:06:14.634 (LOUD THUD) (GASPS) 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:16.096 DRILL SERGEANT : Move it! Keep moving! 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.429 Let's go! All right, gentlemen. 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:20.678 (RECRUITS GRUNTING) 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:22.336 DRILL SERGEANT : Harrison? RECRUIT : Here! 00:06:22.360 --> 00:06:23.496 DRILL SERGEANT : Carson? RECRUIT : Here! 00:06:23.520 --> 00:06:24.616 DRILL SERGEANT : Ramirez? RECRUIT : Here! 00:06:24.640 --> 00:06:25.675 (SHOUTS) Fuck! 00:06:25.760 --> 00:06:27.240 DRILL SERGEANT : Pierce? RECRUIT : Here! 00:06:27.320 --> 00:06:28.514 DRILL SERGEANT : Coulson? Help! 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:29.794 DRILL SERGEANT : Snowden! 00:06:30.640 --> 00:06:33.791 Snowden! Where the fuck is Snowden? 00:06:33.960 --> 00:06:35.632 Help! (SIGHS) 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:39.592 DOCTOR : You know, you've been walking around on two broken legs... 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:41.796 Best I can tell, for weeks. 00:06:43.320 --> 00:06:47.233 Now this is what happens when you put a 80-pound rucksack 00:06:47.320 --> 00:06:48.548 on a 150-pound body. 00:06:48.640 --> 00:06:50.915 You get these little stress fractures and... (GROANS) 00:06:51.320 --> 00:06:52.320 Easy. Sorry. 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:53.588 They build up in your tibias. 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.752 You don't get off of 'em, and eventually they just bust. 00:06:56.840 --> 00:06:59.308 Now, you're gonna be here for a few weeks, 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:02.917 and then I'd count on another eight weeks or so 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:04.194 on the crutches. 00:07:04.280 --> 00:07:06.032 SNOWDEN : Okay, and then when do I go back? 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:09.271 Son, you ever again land on those legs of yours, 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.750 airborne or not, those bones will turn to powder. 00:07:12.840 --> 00:07:15.308 I'm gonna authorize an administrative discharge. 00:07:15.440 --> 00:07:17.032 (SIGHS) 00:07:17.520 --> 00:07:19.829 DOCTOR : Plenty of other ways to serve your country. 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:29.588 (MESSAGE ALERT) 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:42.319 (CHUCKLES) 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.760 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR : Have you ever committed a crime for which you weren't caught? 00:07:46.400 --> 00:07:47.435 SNOWDEN : No. 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:52.915 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR : Have you ever cheated on an exam? 00:07:53.640 --> 00:07:54.640 SNOWDEN : No. 00:07:56.400 --> 00:07:57.753 Do you believe the United States 00:07:57.880 --> 00:07:59.320 is the greatest country in the world? 00:07:59.640 --> 00:08:00.834 Yes. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.557 INTERVIEWER : Why do you want to join the CIA? 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.520 PSYCHOLOGIST : How would you explain the Internet to a child? 00:08:09.320 --> 00:08:12.995 INTERVIEWER : Granddad retired as an admiral and joined the FBI. 00:08:13.080 --> 00:08:15.674 Dad's in the Coast Guard, 30-year man. 00:08:15.760 --> 00:08:18.593 PSYCHOLOGIST : What has been the most important day in your life? 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:20.193 9/11. 00:08:20.280 --> 00:08:22.919 We thought my grandfather was inside the Pentagon. 00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:25.873 Uh, turned out he was off-site that day. 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.508 INTERVIEWER : You wanted to be Special Forces? 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:32.912 Yes, sir. Yeah, I love their motto. De oppresso liber. 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.755 INTERVIEWER : Is that what you hope to do with us? Free people from oppression? 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:40.274 I'd like to help my country make a difference in the world. 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:44.314 Uh, the Internet is a technology 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:46.719 that has the power 00:08:46.800 --> 00:08:50.315 to let everyone in the world understand each other. 00:08:50.400 --> 00:08:54.871 Missed a perfect score on the ASVAB test by a single question. 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.714 Crushed the language learning test. 00:08:58.800 --> 00:09:01.394 Some Mandarin, some Japanese. 00:09:03.920 --> 00:09:05.831 And no high school diploma. 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:07.871 So why did you stop attending high school? 00:09:08.520 --> 00:09:12.399 I had to make money. My parents were divorcing at the time. 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:14.918 Any other influences? 00:09:15.560 --> 00:09:17.790 I'd say Joseph Campbell, 00:09:19.640 --> 00:09:23.235 Star Wars, Thoreau, Ayn Rand... 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:27.637 One man can stop the motor of the world. 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.154 Atlas Shrugged. Yes, sir. I believe that. 00:09:31.400 --> 00:09:33.630 Let's try again. 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:36.149 Why do you want to join the CIA? 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:39.468 Uh... 00:09:39.760 --> 00:09:42.558 Well, frankly, sir, 00:09:44.400 --> 00:09:47.517 it sounds really cool to have top security clearance. 00:09:49.680 --> 00:09:50.829 (CHUCKLES) 00:09:55.520 --> 00:09:58.353 (INHALES DEEPLY) It's not enough. 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:04.999 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.549 Ordinarily. But these are not ordinary times. 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:13.476 Bombs won't stop terrorism, brains will, 00:10:13.600 --> 00:10:15.670 and we don't have nearly enough of those. 00:10:17.040 --> 00:10:19.110 I'm gonna give you a shot, Snowden. 00:10:19.760 --> 00:10:22.593 Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. You won't regret this. 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:25.037 My name's Corbin O'Brian. 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.680 I have many titles, among them Senior Instructor. 00:10:28.800 --> 00:10:30.870 You'll be joining my class at The Hill. 00:10:31.520 --> 00:10:32.999 Stop the vehicle. 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:34.195 Shut off the engine. 00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:38.119 I need to see your ID. 00:10:39.040 --> 00:10:40.268 (BARKING) 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:45.156 All right. Using your left hand only, pop the trunk. 00:10:45.400 --> 00:10:47.391 (LOCK OPENING) 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:48.856 SECURITY GUARD : Now place your hands 00:10:48.880 --> 00:10:50.757 through the steering wheel on the dashboard. 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.553 Through the steering wheel. 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:55.634 On the dashboard. Do not exit the vehicle. 00:10:59.160 --> 00:11:00.760 SECURITY GUARD 2: Right here. Right here. 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:14.673 Excuse me. 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:16.592 You'll be looking for Corbin's class. 00:11:16.680 --> 00:11:19.353 End of the hall, keep going through the second set of doors. 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:22.910 Thank you. Is that an Enigma? 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:25.908 No. Enigma was broken. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.798 This is the follow up, the Sigaba. Never broken. 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.068 Cold War's greatest encryption machine. 00:11:32.160 --> 00:11:36.472 Tides of history ticked with this motor and these rotors. 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.433 One day everyone's gonna want a machine like this. Wow! 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.317 I always wanted to learn cryptography. What's this one? 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:45.757 The Hot Line. 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.593 First direct link between Washington and Moscow. 00:11:48.680 --> 00:11:50.716 Probably prevented World War III. 00:11:53.560 --> 00:11:55.869 You got a name? How do I know you're not the enemy? 00:11:55.960 --> 00:11:57.837 Oh, sorry. Uh, Snowden. Ed Snowden. 00:11:57.920 --> 00:12:00.798 Hank Forrester. Where'd you study, Snowden? 00:12:00.880 --> 00:12:02.836 Mostly I'm, uh, self-taught. 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.834 You can tell me if you're busy, but is that a Cray-1? 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.788 Why, yes. Yes, it is. 00:12:10.520 --> 00:12:13.398 The first supercomputer. 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.200 You can get all of this on a cell phone now. 00:12:15.280 --> 00:12:17.953 Yeah. So you're, um, an engineer? 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.830 Am I an engineer? Instructor and counselor, too. 00:12:21.920 --> 00:12:24.150 I'm supposed to keep an eye on you CTs, 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:26.310 make sure you don't buckle under the pressure. 00:12:26.400 --> 00:12:27.674 Turn to drugs and booze. 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.795 Well, you won't have that problem with me. I don't drink or do drugs. 00:12:31.880 --> 00:12:33.518 What is your sin of choice? 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:35.511 Uh, computers. 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:40.749 Well, then, Snowden, you've come to the right little whorehouse. 00:12:43.520 --> 00:12:46.512 O'BRIAN : The front lines in the global war on terror 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:48.511 are not in Iraq or Afghanistan. 00:12:49.520 --> 00:12:52.990 They're here. In London, 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:55.680 Berlin, (WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY) 00:12:56.560 --> 00:12:57.754 Istanbul... 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:00.670 Any server, any connection... 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.714 The modern battlefield 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:06.594 is everywhere. 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:09.993 Which means 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:14.798 you don't have to sit in the ditch eating MREs or dodging mortar fire, 00:13:14.880 --> 00:13:20.671 it means that if there is another 9/11, it'll be your fault. 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:25.400 Just as the last one was my generation's. 00:13:27.920 --> 00:13:30.718 Believe me, you do not want to live with that burden. 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:38.235 We're gonna start with an aptitude test. 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:39.594 (KEYBOARDS CLACKING) 00:13:39.680 --> 00:13:42.831 O'BRIAN : Each of you is gonna build a covert communications network 00:13:42.920 --> 00:13:44.399 in your home city, 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:50.158 you're gonna deploy it, back up your site, destroy it, 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.912 and restore it again. 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.798 The point of this exercise is to keep 00:13:54.880 --> 00:13:57.474 your infrastructure up and running securely. 00:13:58.040 --> 00:14:00.759 The average test time is five hours. 00:14:01.160 --> 00:14:04.118 If you take more than eight, you will fail. 00:14:29.800 --> 00:14:31.199 SNOWDEN : Mr. O'Brian? 00:14:32.640 --> 00:14:33.959 I'm done, sir. 00:14:34.280 --> 00:14:36.840 You don't have to tell me when you've completed a stage. 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:38.797 No, I finished the whole thing. 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.158 It's been 40 minutes. 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:42.514 Thirty-eight. 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:43.794 What? 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:45.799 Thirty-eight minutes. 00:14:48.520 --> 00:14:50.715 Okay. Let's see where you screwed up. 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.833 (KEYBOARDS CLACKING) 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.270 (SYSTEM BEEPING) 00:15:01.760 --> 00:15:03.716 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:06.355 (COMPUTING) (SYSTEM BEEPING) 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.759 You didn't say we had to do it in order, sir. 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.912 So I, uh, broke the sequence to save time, 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.073 and I automated the backup process to run as I built the site. 00:15:23.760 --> 00:15:25.034 Eyes on screens. 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:33.509 Sir? 00:15:35.800 --> 00:15:37.472 What should I do now? 00:15:37.560 --> 00:15:38.913 Whatever you want. 00:15:55.200 --> 00:15:57.156 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) (MAN LAUGHING) 00:16:06.560 --> 00:16:08.039 (CAMERA CLICKS) 00:16:16.920 --> 00:16:18.911 Hey. Hi. 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:22.197 Finally. (LAUGHS) Yeah. 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.470 Um, sorry. 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:35.232 Do you, um, want anything? 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.039 No. Let's go for a walk. 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:39.792 You could use some sun. (LAUGHS) 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:44.074 (LAUGHS) Yeah. You mentioned that earlier. 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.469 Sorry it took me this long. I just... 00:16:47.880 --> 00:16:51.759 You didn't want to see me on crutches. I was not so agile. 00:16:52.040 --> 00:16:53.712 And then this new job hit. So... 00:16:53.800 --> 00:16:56.234 Oh, yeah, what was it you were doing again? 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.231 I'm doing analysis for the State Department. 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:00.356 Right. Congratulations. Thanks. 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:01.873 You're welcome. 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.678 Hey, can you do me a favor 00:17:03.760 --> 00:17:05.990 and, um, point in the direction of the State Department? 00:17:06.760 --> 00:17:07.954 Uh... 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:12.593 Yeah, it's that way. (CAMERA CLICKS) 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:15.390 Where? Are you sure? (CAMERA CLICKS) 00:17:16.520 --> 00:17:19.273 I mean, I'm not that great at orienting myself... 00:17:19.360 --> 00:17:21.590 Not that great at lying, either. 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.274 You're gonna have to work on both if you wanna be a spy. 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:27.479 Where I came from, everyone's parents 00:17:27.560 --> 00:17:29.630 worked for the "State Department." 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.678 Plus, every time you visited my website this week, 00:17:32.760 --> 00:17:36.514 which was quite often, it was from an IP in Virginia. 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.756 You know how to run an IP trace? Yeah. 00:17:39.360 --> 00:17:43.069 I'm pretty sure that the State Department has no offices in Virginia. 00:17:45.520 --> 00:17:46.953 (CHUCKLES) Huh? 00:17:47.320 --> 00:17:48.469 (CAMERA CLICKS) 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:53.873 All right, let's see you strut it. 00:17:54.320 --> 00:17:55.514 Let's see what? 00:17:55.600 --> 00:17:57.216 Let's see you strut it. Show me what you got, you know. 00:17:57.240 --> 00:17:58.912 Your best catwalk. 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.435 Don't be shy. 00:18:02.600 --> 00:18:04.795 Come on. You got this. Uh... All right. 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:06.114 (CAMERA CLICKING) 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.719 (BOTH LAUGHING) 00:18:08.520 --> 00:18:09.635 I don't know. (LAUGHS) 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:17.256 PROTESTORS : (CHANTING) Drop Bush, not bombs! 00:18:17.280 --> 00:18:20.989 Drop Bush, not bombs! 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.360 Excuse me. Would you mind signing our petition, please? 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:24.759 Yes, absolutely. 00:18:27.040 --> 00:18:28.758 Thank you. Thank you so much. Sir? 00:18:28.840 --> 00:18:29.909 No, thank you. 00:18:32.600 --> 00:18:34.216 MALE ACTIVIST : Excuse me, ma'am. Would you like to sign? 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:35.976 I actually just signed. Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:37.000 Thank you. 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.516 Too much independent spirit for you? 00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:44.829 Uh, no, I just don't really like bashing my country. 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.714 It's my country too, and right now it has blood on its hands. 00:18:49.800 --> 00:18:51.119 (SIGHS) 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:54.112 Sorry, I just... I have friends who are over there right now. 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:55.616 I'm not talking about the troops. 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.520 I'm talking about the moron sending them to war. 00:18:57.560 --> 00:19:00.393 (LAUGHS) Moron? You mean our Commander-in-Chief? 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.869 Yeah, whatever you want to call him. He's still wrong. 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.736 How do you know he's wrong? You're just lashing out. 00:19:04.760 --> 00:19:08.548 No, I'm not lashing out. I'm questioning our government. 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:09.816 That's what we do in this country. 00:19:09.840 --> 00:19:12.195 That is the principle that we were founded on. 00:19:12.280 --> 00:19:16.432 Okay, but how about questioning the liberal media? 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:20.599 I mean, you're just buying into what one side is saying. 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.039 (LAUGHS) Maybe I am, 'cause my side is right. 00:19:24.600 --> 00:19:26.720 See, that's funny, 'cause my side's right. Oh, really? 00:19:26.800 --> 00:19:29.075 Yeah. Uh...(LAUGHS) 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.190 Why is it smart conservatives always make me so mad? 00:19:33.280 --> 00:19:35.589 Probably because you don't like hearing the truth. 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:40.034 You are a very frustrating individual, you know that? 00:19:41.800 --> 00:19:43.950 How am I going to make you see? 00:19:44.040 --> 00:19:46.270 I can see just fine, thank you. 00:19:52.600 --> 00:19:53.794 (CHUCKLES) 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:55.148 That help at all? 00:19:56.520 --> 00:19:59.034 Nope. No, that did nothing for me. 00:19:59.120 --> 00:20:00.348 Tastes like liberal. 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.273 (LAUGHS) It's not my thing. 00:20:05.800 --> 00:20:10.316 (O'BRIAN READING) 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.115 Is it constitutional to bypass the Courts? 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.794 No. The Fourth Amendment prevents searches 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:18.313 and seizures without a warrant. 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:21.915 That's absolutely right, Rio. Which means 00:20:22.760 --> 00:20:25.558 your Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States, 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:27.471 is breaking the law. 00:20:28.680 --> 00:20:30.477 That is what you're saying, isn't it, Rio? 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:35.509 Well, I guess it depends on who you talk to. 00:20:35.600 --> 00:20:37.431 O'BRIAN : And if you talk to journalists? 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.948 Who, more often than not, don't have the full picture, 00:20:42.040 --> 00:20:45.476 or neglect to report it, you only get a partial truth. 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:51.913 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:53.513 The FISA Court. 00:20:54.280 --> 00:20:57.272 We do respect the Fourth Amendment in this country, 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:58.976 and we issue warrants based on suspicion. 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:04.358 But sometimes these warrants have to be issued by secret courts, 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.079 so we don't alert the suspects we're spying on. 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:10.351 And these court proceedings are classified, 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.192 which means, surprise... 00:21:13.560 --> 00:21:16.438 They don't appear in papers such as The New York Times. 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:19.256 SNOWDEN : Did you see my test scores? 00:21:19.280 --> 00:21:22.511 HANK : Yes. Top of my class. Like you. What, here? 00:21:22.600 --> 00:21:25.672 NSA. They liked me plenty. 00:21:25.760 --> 00:21:30.038 They put me on all the best teams. Soviet frontier. Desert Storm. 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:32.550 And then the big new challenge, 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:37.156 find the terrorist in the Internet haystack. Hell of a haystack. 00:21:37.240 --> 00:21:38.673 Hundreds of terabytes a minute. 00:21:38.760 --> 00:21:41.672 I mean, it would take you 400 years to read the emails. 00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:43.796 Then you have to analyze them. 00:21:44.600 --> 00:21:46.830 Sometimes, the more you look, the less you see. 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:49.816 What'd you come up with? HANK : Something beautiful. 00:21:49.840 --> 00:21:52.229 In house. For $3 million. 00:21:52.320 --> 00:21:56.393 A program that could differentiate between foreign and domestic, 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.109 encrypt every signal we weren't targeting, so it would remain private. 00:22:00.360 --> 00:22:02.430 It was elegant, streamlined. 00:22:02.520 --> 00:22:04.351 It was the best work I ever did. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:07.069 Have a seat. 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:09.948 What was it called? 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:23.119 Ed, rising to the top in our world 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.556 can sometimes be hard on a man. 00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:30.997 I mean... You think you're making strides, 00:22:31.120 --> 00:22:33.759 you think you're taking the initiative. 00:22:34.600 --> 00:22:37.478 And then, the next minute, they grind your work out of existence. 00:22:38.040 --> 00:22:40.031 They didn't use it? Why not? 00:22:40.120 --> 00:22:42.509 HANK : Well, they never tell you why. 00:22:44.040 --> 00:22:46.634 Two years later, after 9/11, 00:22:46.760 --> 00:22:48.034 a friend of mine tells me about 00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:50.918 this new contractor program they're using. 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.434 Costs $4 billion to deploy. 00:22:53.520 --> 00:22:58.469 Modeled after mine but with no filters, no automation. 00:22:59.560 --> 00:23:03.189 Ingested everything. They were drowning in data. 00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:04.918 It was a fucking disaster. 00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.878 Okay, but there must have been some bigger picture, right? 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.270 I mean, spending that kind of money? They're not stupid. 00:23:11.360 --> 00:23:13.999 You would think intelligence would count for something 00:23:14.120 --> 00:23:15.951 in the intelligence business. 00:23:16.080 --> 00:23:19.436 Right. But you wanna know what it really is? 00:23:19.520 --> 00:23:21.715 What really sets the agenda? 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:27.111 Military industrial happiness management. 00:23:28.040 --> 00:23:30.031 You keep the coffers open in Congress, 00:23:30.120 --> 00:23:33.271 you keep the money flowing to the contractors. 00:23:33.360 --> 00:23:37.069 Efficiency, results? They go out the window. 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.514 Not to mention... All right. 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.115 Well, you're late for class. 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:44.639 (BELL RINGING) 00:23:44.800 --> 00:23:46.631 Okay. Thank you. 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:50.789 Can I take another one? Sure. 00:23:57.840 --> 00:24:00.400 Did you ever say anything to anybody? 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.598 Yeah. I went to legal. We filed complaints. 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.514 Now here I am, tucked away, teaching you. 00:24:11.320 --> 00:24:13.754 Maybe that's more important, in the long run. 00:24:14.640 --> 00:24:15.675 You're getting better. 00:24:31.560 --> 00:24:33.516 My favorite spot on campus. 00:24:36.120 --> 00:24:37.599 You hunt, Ed? 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:40.073 SNOWDEN : Uh... 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.480 Did some skeet shooting with my dad a few times, 00:24:43.560 --> 00:24:45.312 but, no, I never went hunting. 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:46.594 O'BRIAN : We'll go one day. 00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:47.908 SNOWDEN : That'd be great. 00:24:49.280 --> 00:24:50.952 Mr. O'Brian, can I ask you a question? 00:24:51.040 --> 00:24:52.792 How about just calling me Corbin? 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.709 Okay. (LAUGHS) Thank you, sir. Uh, Corbin. 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:02.196 I was talking with Hank Forrester and I wanted to know, 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:06.159 are all of our SIGINT programs specifically targeted? 00:25:06.920 --> 00:25:10.708 Of course. What good would they be if they weren't? Hmm? 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:13.559 (LAUGHS) Yeah, I don't know. 00:25:15.840 --> 00:25:17.671 You have a girlfriend, Ed? 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:21.518 Uh, nothing serious. 00:25:21.600 --> 00:25:23.033 What's her name? Lindsay. 00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:24.155 Lindsay. 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:26.998 She going with you? 00:25:27.800 --> 00:25:30.633 No, I wouldn't want to put her in any danger. 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:31.789 Well, you won't have to. 00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.276 We're not sending you to the Middle East. 00:25:39.600 --> 00:25:44.116 Sir, I'm your best student. Doesn't that count for something? 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:49.397 In 20 years, Iraq will be a hellhole nobody cares about. 00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:51.516 Terrorism's a short-term threat. 00:25:51.600 --> 00:25:56.116 The real threats will come from China, Russia, Iran, 00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.038 and they'll come as SQL injections and malware. 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:03.233 Without minds like yours, this country will be torn apart in cyberspace. 00:26:04.120 --> 00:26:05.473 I don't want to risk losing you 00:26:05.600 --> 00:26:08.319 for some horseshit war over sand and oil. 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:12.837 Sir, I'm surprised to hear you say that. 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:16.276 You don't have to agree with your politicians to be a patriot. 00:26:16.360 --> 00:26:17.713 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:22.788 Sir, where are you sending me? Take a moment. 00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:24.839 Enjoy the view. 00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:28.920 Hey. 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.752 (SIRENS BLARING) 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.036 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:26:39.840 --> 00:26:41.193 (STATIC) 00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.119 (KNOCKING ON DOOR) 00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:46.555 (DOOR OPENS) 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:47.834 GLENN : This is Laura. 00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:49.480 Hello. 00:26:49.560 --> 00:26:51.039 EWEN : Hello, nice to meet you. 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.997 Hello, I'm Ewen MacAskill from the Guardian. It's nice to meet you. 00:26:55.080 --> 00:26:56.274 Nice to meet you, too. 00:26:56.360 --> 00:26:59.875 Um, if you don't mind, uh, I'd like to record some of... 00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:02.315 Uh... Cell phones go in the microwave. 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:03.789 Dare I ask why? 00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.314 We'll get to that. After you ask your questions. 00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:08.469 EWEN : Yeah, before... 00:27:08.560 --> 00:27:10.696 Before we get on to the stories, I need to know more about you. 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:15.111 Your career by Glenn's account is very varied, 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.872 but the Guardian needs evidence that... 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.997 Yeah. This is my diplomatic passport for friendly countries, 00:27:20.080 --> 00:27:21.957 my tourist passport for everywhere else. 00:27:22.040 --> 00:27:23.439 You can check the visa stamps. 00:27:23.520 --> 00:27:27.559 This is my NSA badge with Booz Allen, my CIA badge with Dell, 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.712 and this is my DIA instructor's badge. 00:27:30.800 --> 00:27:33.712 This is a photo of me with Michael Hayden, 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:36.713 who's a former head of the NSA and the CIA. 00:27:38.040 --> 00:27:39.155 When can you publish? 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:43.631 Okay, um, do you mind if I sit down? No, please. 00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:48.198 EWEN : Uh, Glenn says you want to, uh... 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.237 You want to tell people your identity. 00:27:50.320 --> 00:27:52.176 How do you think your government's going to react? 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.589 Well, they'll charge me under the Espionage Act. 00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.399 And they'll say I endangered national security, 00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.153 and they'll demonize me, and my friends and family. 00:28:00.280 --> 00:28:02.999 (INHALES DEEPLY) And they'll throw me in jail. 00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:05.116 That's the best-case scenario. 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:06.514 And the worst? 00:28:06.600 --> 00:28:08.795 Well, if I don't have any media cover, 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.474 then I'll be rendered by the CIA 00:28:11.560 --> 00:28:13.915 and interrogated outside of the law. 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:16.639 And they have a station right up the street. 00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:19.109 But how would they know what you did? 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:22.749 Because I left a digital footprint in my logs, so they'll figure it out. 00:28:22.840 --> 00:28:24.796 I did not want a manhunt. 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.030 I know what they would do to my colleagues. 00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:31.153 Look, Mr. MacAskill, uh, 00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.835 this is not about money or anything for me. 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:36.148 There's no hidden agenda. 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.028 I just wanted to get this data to established journalists like yourselves, 00:28:40.120 --> 00:28:42.350 so that you can present it to the world, 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:45.955 and the people can decide either I'm wrong 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.873 or there's something going on inside the government that's really wrong. 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:55.715 So... 00:28:58.280 --> 00:29:00.999 This one is everything I have 00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:03.992 on your British intelligence agency, the GCHQ. 00:29:04.080 --> 00:29:06.036 An encryption key will follow. 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.714 You're gonna want your technical people at the Guardian 00:29:09.800 --> 00:29:11.040 to look through that thoroughly. 00:29:11.080 --> 00:29:12.991 There's a lot of stuff there. 00:29:13.560 --> 00:29:14.879 (INHALES DEEPLY) 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.513 Listen, they're gonna investigate, 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.598 and they're gonna figure out what I've done. 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:22.791 And then they're gonna come for me. 00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:24.438 And now that we've made contact, 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:27.997 they're gonna come for all of you, too. 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:35.754 Uh... Um... 00:29:37.280 --> 00:29:38.920 Do you mind if I go look in the microwave? 00:29:48.120 --> 00:29:51.237 Ewen. I'm on with Stuart. 00:29:51.320 --> 00:29:52.355 Hi, Ewen. 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.316 Hi, Stuart. Look, I've got one thing to say. 00:29:56.520 --> 00:29:58.909 The Guinness here is great. JANINE : (OVER PHONE) Wonderful. 00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.116 Oh, absolutely the genuine article. 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:02.315 JANINE : (OVER PHONE) Good. 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.834 But shockingly different from what you'd expect. 00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:10.633 So... (CLEARS THROAT) Now we have the lawyers to deal with. And no doubt the White House. 00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:13.440 I got the go ahead. 00:30:13.520 --> 00:30:14.794 That's great. Oh, good. 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.696 Let's get started. We have a lot to go through here, 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:18.039 and it's not easy reading. 00:30:18.120 --> 00:30:19.917 LAURA : We can start by showing him XKeyscore. 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:22.376 Good idea. Ed, can you bring it up again and walk us through it? 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.469 Yeah. 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.229 (CAMERA BEEPS, WHIRRING) 00:30:30.320 --> 00:30:32.231 Do we all get under there now? 00:30:32.360 --> 00:30:34.590 He's protecting his passwords. (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.875 Okay. So... 00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.919 This was introduced 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:48.516 during my first deployment at the CIA in Geneva. 00:30:48.600 --> 00:30:49.715 EWEN : "XKeyscore." 00:30:51.280 --> 00:30:52.599 What does that do? 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.753 It's like a search interface. 00:30:57.480 --> 00:30:59.072 What does it search for? 00:30:59.360 --> 00:31:00.952 Anything you want. 00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:03.997 EWEN : What was your assignment in Geneva? 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.269 SNOWDEN : Well, I was assigned with diplomatic cover to the UN mission 00:31:09.360 --> 00:31:11.920 to maintain the CIA's computer security network. 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:20.193 I spent almost two years around CIA field officers. 00:31:22.760 --> 00:31:24.990 I don't see a time stamp on any of this. 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:26.639 We have a confirmation on the GSS. 00:31:26.800 --> 00:31:27.949 (PHONE RINGING) 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.674 SNOWDEN : I'm sorry, sir, I don't understand. 00:31:30.760 --> 00:31:33.320 Sherman says you hacked the Human Resources site. 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.237 Yeah, it's my job to find flaws. 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:37.994 The security of the HR site is not your problem. 00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:39.638 You went outside the wheelhouse. 00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.154 Okay, but just to clarify, I did not hack it, 00:31:42.320 --> 00:31:44.709 I showed that it could be hacked. 00:31:44.840 --> 00:31:46.114 You told me to find a patch. 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:47.349 You have that in writing? 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:50.637 Yes, I do. Remember, I sent you the proof of concept. 00:31:53.800 --> 00:31:55.056 Doesn't matter what you did, Snowden. 00:31:55.080 --> 00:31:57.880 Right or wrong, you need to let these things be someone else's problem. 00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:59.592 He's also put a derog in your file. 00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:01.079 Excuse me? Let that be a lesson. 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.513 I don't want him calling me again 00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:04.318 about another Ed Snowden moment. 00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:06.799 Okay? 00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:08.997 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:11.896 Why don't you take it easy the rest of the day? 00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:13.751 Go work on the scrubbing pile. 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.352 That didn't look like it went well. 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:26.719 Oh, hey, man. Uh, yeah. No, I just got a derog for doing my job. 00:32:26.840 --> 00:32:30.389 (CHUCKLES) Politics, man. The culture of fear wins again. 00:32:30.520 --> 00:32:32.875 I can't get anything done here. Yeah. 00:32:33.320 --> 00:32:36.949 Hey, um, what about that idea that we were talking about? 00:32:37.040 --> 00:32:38.696 I'm working on it. I'm waiting for a call back 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:40.199 from our friend at The Hill. 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:41.992 Who, Corbin? You called Corbin? Hmm. 00:32:42.080 --> 00:32:43.433 You think he can do something? 00:32:43.520 --> 00:32:46.512 We'll see. Maybe some limited field ops under my supervision. 00:32:46.600 --> 00:32:48.176 Yes, that would be amazing. I would love... 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.954 Easy, Ed. I've gotta see a cleric in Milan. We'll talk after. 00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:53.871 Okay. Thank you. 00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.470 (MACHINE WHIRRING) 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:11.074 (KNOCKS) 00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.789 Damn, CIA does not like to leave a trace, huh? 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:15.880 Can I help you? 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.678 You get curious to check one out? 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:20.276 See what kind of crazy-ass covert kill mission 00:33:20.360 --> 00:33:21.536 you might be erasing from history? 00:33:21.560 --> 00:33:22.640 I'm sorry, who are you with? 00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.434 No Such Agency. I'm Gabriel Sol. 00:33:25.560 --> 00:33:28.836 I'm the 50-pound brain from the Council of Wizards and Warlocks. 00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:30.629 Excuse me? 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.915 Giving you your intel for Bucharest, dude. Oh. 00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:34.911 Unless there's another Dave Churchyard. 00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.639 No. That's me. Right this way. 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:44.269 I'll be right outside. Stay if you want. 00:33:44.360 --> 00:33:48.876 (SYSTEM BEEPS) Uh, I don't have authorization to use NSA programs. 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:50.096 Well, if you're the messenger to Bucharest, 00:33:50.120 --> 00:33:51.519 you must have a PRIVAC clearance 00:33:51.600 --> 00:33:53.238 to see the finished intel, yes? 00:33:54.080 --> 00:33:55.080 Yeah... 00:33:55.120 --> 00:33:56.336 GABRIEL : Yeah, so what difference does it make 00:33:56.360 --> 00:33:57.640 if you see how it's put together? 00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.109 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:01.798 Well, it's up to you, man. 00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.316 Uh, you're giving me just names? 00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:10.953 Uh, and a lot more than names. 00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:14.437 What I will be providing you and the fine gentlemen of the Secret Service 00:34:14.520 --> 00:34:19.389 is a list of every threat made about the President since February 3rd. 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.948 And a profile of every threat-maker. 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:26.873 And these are, like, existing targets? 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.151 99% are gonna come from the bulk collection program, so... 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.117 Upstream, Muscular, Tempora, PRISM. 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.000 PRISM? 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:37.831 You got a little Snow White in you. 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.191 Which makes me feel like the witch bringing you a poisoned apple. 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.589 Here. Exhibit A. 00:34:44.680 --> 00:34:47.877 Oakland resident Justin Pinsky posted on a message board, 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.713 "Romania has a storied history of executing their leaders, 00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:53.633 "couldn't they do us a solid and take out Bush?" 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.513 Now this looks juicy. This is from a G-chat. 00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.830 "...with the biggest python you've ever seen." Hmm. 00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:06.351 How is this all possible? 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.431 Um, keyword selectors. 00:35:08.520 --> 00:35:10.670 "Attack," "take out Bush." 00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.038 So think of it as a Google search, 00:35:14.120 --> 00:35:16.136 except instead of searching only what people make public, 00:35:16.160 --> 00:35:18.355 we're also looking at everything they don't. So... 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.757 Emails, chats, SMS, whatever. 00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:22.512 Yeah, but which people? 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:25.552 The whole kingdom, Snow White. 00:35:30.040 --> 00:35:31.268 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:34.472 Which ambassador was he again? 00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:37.120 De La Hoya, with World Trade Organization. 00:35:37.200 --> 00:35:38.315 Right. 00:35:38.680 --> 00:35:40.875 (STRING QUARTET PLAYING) 00:35:52.160 --> 00:35:53.160 MATT : So... 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.592 O'Brian came through for you. 00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:59.389 He agrees your talents are being wasted. You ready for a little action? 00:36:00.200 --> 00:36:02.760 Really? What, you mean right here? 00:36:03.240 --> 00:36:05.151 Yeah. Now. 00:36:05.240 --> 00:36:07.310 See the woman in the pink number? 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:12.155 Credit Suisse. J.P. Morgan's on her arm. Grandma's with Deutsche Bank. 00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:14.071 Ten thousand bankers in this town. 00:36:14.160 --> 00:36:16.071 All you need to turn is one. 00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:18.272 Socialize. Meet a few. 00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.079 Preferably ones sitting on a pile of dirty Saudi money 00:36:21.160 --> 00:36:22.559 that's funding bin Laden. 00:36:22.680 --> 00:36:25.911 Thank you very much. Church. Church. Sure. Churchyard. 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:28.911 (SPEAKING RUSSIAN) 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.519 Mr. Debrinin asks your business card, please. 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.269 An ambassador. Wow! (LAUGHING) 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.357 I wish I had your schmoozing skills. 00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.271 Uh, well, that's why you have me. 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.119 Yeah. You don't know any bankers, do you? Bankers? 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.428 Are you on some kind of assignment or something? 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:55.238 Um, "Relationship cultivating." (SIGHS) And not well. 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:58.034 Let me help you. 00:36:58.120 --> 00:36:59.235 No. Yeah. 00:36:59.520 --> 00:37:01.829 No, this is serious. I know it's serious. 00:37:02.160 --> 00:37:03.160 Trust me. 00:37:05.200 --> 00:37:06.474 Any luck? 00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:07.994 No, no bites. 00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:11.829 Is there some kind of trick to it? 00:37:12.560 --> 00:37:14.790 It's all about finding the pressure point. 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.956 Everything else is just pushing on it. 00:37:19.600 --> 00:37:21.158 Looks like you're being summoned. 00:37:26.120 --> 00:37:28.680 ...we have to pay extra... Marwan? May I interrupt? 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:29.909 This is my boyfriend, Dave. 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:32.514 Hello, Dave. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. 00:37:32.600 --> 00:37:33.669 Marwan works at Monfort. 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.228 We were talking, and after last week, 00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.117 he may be able to give you some tips. 00:37:39.200 --> 00:37:41.760 Gentlemen, I'll see you inside. Last week? 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:46.671 He's embarrassed. It was a lot of money for us. 00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.230 Day trading is a perilous sport. (LAUGHS) 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.715 You shouldn't be ashamed of it. Yeah. 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:57.113 I'm gonna grab some food. See you guys inside? 00:37:57.200 --> 00:37:58.315 Sure. 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:02.468 You have a lovely girlfriend. Thank you so much. 00:38:03.600 --> 00:38:05.556 You know, I work in IT, and so I just figured 00:38:05.720 --> 00:38:08.393 I could crack the market like a weak network. 00:38:08.520 --> 00:38:11.592 May I ask, how precipitous were your losses? 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:15.479 Well, I told Lindsay it was 20,000, 00:38:15.560 --> 00:38:18.393 but between you and me, it was closer to 45. 00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:22.636 Tried to recoup, but that was a mistake, 00:38:22.720 --> 00:38:24.312 and now without any real grounding, 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.016 I feel like I'm just sliding out of control. 00:38:26.040 --> 00:38:27.917 Oh, I have seen it many times. 00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.797 And I'm always happy to help a man 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.155 break a bad habit before it gets going. 00:38:32.240 --> 00:38:34.071 Oh, thank you. I really appreciate that. 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.153 GABRIEL : This is the cleanest Pakistani I've ever seen. 00:38:39.240 --> 00:38:41.390 We got no first-degree ties to government or ISI, 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:42.913 no shady family. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.736 I mean, second-degree contacts are off the charts, 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:47.376 but that's... I mean, that's everyone in the Middle East 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:48.674 with a six-figure income. 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:52.514 Well, it's not dirt that we need necessarily, it's a pressure point. 00:38:52.640 --> 00:38:55.757 Something intimate, some kind of weakness. 00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:59.111 Can we look through his family? Mmm-hmm. 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:03.594 GABRIEL : How about his sister-in-law? 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:05.915 Yeah. 00:39:08.520 --> 00:39:11.796 What is that, is that some video that she sent somebody? 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.269 No, this is live. Out of Paris. 00:39:14.560 --> 00:39:15.754 What do you mean, live? 00:39:16.600 --> 00:39:19.558 GABRIEL : Optic Nerve. It's camera and mic activation. 00:39:19.720 --> 00:39:21.760 I wish we could take credit, but the Brits wrote it. 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.153 Activation? 00:39:23.240 --> 00:39:25.151 GABRIEL : Yeah, her laptop's off. 00:39:25.240 --> 00:39:26.878 Or was, she just forgot to close it. 00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.056 Of course, how would she know? 00:39:28.080 --> 00:39:30.594 This shit is so sly, the webcam light doesn't even turn on. 00:39:38.160 --> 00:39:41.197 Hmm. I always wondered what was under those. 00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:51.194 Okay, look, let's stick to family in Geneva. 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:52.714 All right? 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:54.791 Okay, Snow White. Uh... 00:39:55.640 --> 00:39:58.313 Fifteen-year-old daughter at the International School. 00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:02.712 Yeah. Uh, Facebook? Is that possible? 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.472 Dude, Facebook's my bitch. 00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:06.039 Seriously? (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.471 Like, she fights with her parents, or... 00:40:09.560 --> 00:40:12.870 Don't worry, don't worry. I know all the hooks for this kind of fishing. 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:17.314 Uh, query name. So email, keyword, whatever selector you want. 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.151 And justification is where I write... 00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.557 In other words, turning your daddy into a CIA informant. 00:40:26.680 --> 00:40:28.796 Wait, that's it? (INHALES DEEPLY) That's it, bro. 00:40:29.600 --> 00:40:32.478 You don't have to get a FISA court order? 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.434 Mmm-mmm. No, not here. XKeyscore's under 702 authority, 00:40:35.520 --> 00:40:37.351 which means no warrants. 00:40:37.600 --> 00:40:41.115 Okay, but U.S. targets then, you'd have to get the court order? 00:40:41.200 --> 00:40:44.715 You mean FISA? Yeah, they're just a big-ass rubber stamp, dude. 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:46.472 I mean, FISA judges are all appointed by 00:40:46.560 --> 00:40:49.154 the Chief Justice, who's like, you know... 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.233 Darth Vader when it comes to national security. Boom. 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.193 Here we go. 00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:02.678 Okay, okay. And the boy at third base is... 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:10.034 Nadim. Okay. He's 18. 00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:12.496 Salma says she wants to marry him, 00:41:12.520 --> 00:41:14.317 but is scared of telling her parents. 00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:19.713 What she doesn't know is that his other name is Nicolas. 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:23.555 And he's currently banging Geraldine and Julie. 00:41:25.600 --> 00:41:26.669 And... 00:41:31.520 --> 00:41:33.590 He and his Turkish mother are here illegally. 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:39.955 That's it. 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:44.751 (MUSIC PLAYING) 00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.516 STRIPPER: Ah, you like that? 00:41:50.600 --> 00:41:52.113 MARWAN : I love these. 00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:56.913 Man, what are we doing here? 00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:59.795 You're making people very happy. 00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:02.394 Mr. Marwan's bank handles serious Saudi money, 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:04.755 and a whole bunch of Russian billionaires. 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:09.072 What about any al-Qaeda money? Anything promising? 00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.670 Ed, I'm up for a promotion soon. 00:42:12.800 --> 00:42:14.631 I will not forget my friends. 00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.759 Thank you. 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.416 This is all going kind of fast though, right? (LAUGHS) 00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.351 I mean, I just sent some initial background. 00:42:20.440 --> 00:42:22.590 There he is! The man! 00:42:22.680 --> 00:42:23.908 Hey, Marwan! 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.151 Dave. How wonderful to see you. 00:42:27.240 --> 00:42:28.514 Good to see you, too. 00:42:28.640 --> 00:42:33.430 Uh, I was counting, Marwan, you snuck in an extra half hour back there. 00:42:33.520 --> 00:42:37.354 (LAUGHS) I'm afraid she was merely listening to an old man's woes. 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:38.440 (LAUGHS) Oh, I see. 00:42:38.520 --> 00:42:40.351 So, how are you, Marwan? 00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:46.036 I must tell you, Dave, since we met, 00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.997 my life has gone somewhat topsy-turvy. 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.151 Oh, no, I'm sorry to hear that. 00:42:53.640 --> 00:42:55.232 But your colleague Charles here 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.515 has graciously offered his help. 00:42:57.600 --> 00:42:59.909 So I owe him and you a great deal. 00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.718 Can I ask what happened? 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:05.914 My daughter had an... 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.958 Marwan's daughter took too many sleeping pills. 00:43:09.040 --> 00:43:10.632 She's all right. 00:43:10.720 --> 00:43:13.632 It had something to do with her boyfriend, who was recently deported. 00:43:13.720 --> 00:43:15.631 We're trying to secure a visa for him. 00:43:15.720 --> 00:43:19.190 And even so, I'm afraid that Salma will... 00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:23.589 I'm sorry. I won't trouble you with such matters. 00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:27.514 No, no, you... Hey. You talk as much as you want. 00:43:27.600 --> 00:43:30.273 All right? Family comes first. 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:31.839 (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 00:43:38.720 --> 00:43:40.551 (ALL LAUGHING) 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:42.148 Whoa! Oh! 00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:44.234 There's my beauty. 00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:48.152 I'm never like this before. 00:43:48.240 --> 00:43:50.071 Oh, sure. No, of course. 00:43:50.160 --> 00:43:52.310 You sit down, huh? Sit tight. 00:43:54.040 --> 00:43:56.873 You sit tight. (BOTH LAUGHING) 00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:00.473 What the fuck's going on? 00:44:00.560 --> 00:44:02.516 I have been acting swiftly and effectively 00:44:02.600 --> 00:44:05.637 on the very good signals intelligence you've provided. 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.155 And if his daughter had died? 00:44:08.240 --> 00:44:09.992 We could have used that too. 00:44:10.080 --> 00:44:12.150 Are you serious? What, in the name of a promotion? 00:44:12.240 --> 00:44:13.639 (BEEPS) 00:44:15.240 --> 00:44:18.676 Marwan can't be away from his family right now. 00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:20.995 So in the morning, when he's facing a week in jail, 00:44:21.080 --> 00:44:24.152 we're going to offer him a deal and he won't turn it down. 00:44:24.240 --> 00:44:25.389 Wait, jail? For what? 00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:27.549 Drunk driving. 00:44:27.640 --> 00:44:29.995 Now, I want you to call the police. 00:44:30.080 --> 00:44:31.376 Tell 'em you saw a Mercedes headed north... 00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:32.628 No, he's not driving right now. 00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:34.517 Look at him, he'll kill himself. 00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:39.431 Okay. I'll call 'em. Hey! 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.069 He's not driving. 00:44:43.120 --> 00:44:46.908 Remind me, are you authorized on any of the NSA programs you used? 00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.400 So we're both doing a little fucked up shit here, huh? 00:44:52.720 --> 00:44:55.075 Watch yourself, Ed. I will tell him who you are. 00:44:56.600 --> 00:44:59.353 You reveal the identity of an undercover officer, 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.113 you're going to jail for a lot longer than Marwan. 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:09.440 MARWAN : Hey! 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:24.275 Hey. 00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:26.159 Sorry I'm so late. 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:30.279 How was work? 00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.079 It was, uh... 00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.149 (SIGHS) It was all right. Yeah. 00:45:39.560 --> 00:45:42.791 (INHALES DEEPLY) I have to wake up in, like, three hours. 00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:44.313 My flight's at 7:00. 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.759 (SIGHS) 00:45:47.680 --> 00:45:49.636 Well, we'd better be quick, then. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:51.319 (BOTH CHUCKLING) 00:46:08.200 --> 00:46:09.633 (MOANING) 00:46:11.640 --> 00:46:13.358 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 00:46:20.600 --> 00:46:22.511 (BOTH MOANING) 00:46:35.560 --> 00:46:38.836 I will provide our intelligence and law enforcement agencies 00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.718 with the tools they need to track and take out the terrorists 00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.798 without undermining our constitution and our freedom. 00:46:45.720 --> 00:46:47.536 (DOOR OPENS) That means no more illegal wiretapping 00:46:47.560 --> 00:46:48.788 of American citizens. 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.156 No more ignoring the law when it is inconvenient. 00:46:52.240 --> 00:46:53.639 That is not who we are. 00:46:54.080 --> 00:46:55.308 Hey, hon. Hey. 00:46:55.720 --> 00:46:58.518 (LAUGHS) What happened to the London trip? 00:46:58.640 --> 00:47:00.471 Uh... (REPORTERS SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON TV) 00:47:00.960 --> 00:47:02.393 Turns out I'm not going. 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.509 Oh. 00:47:06.120 --> 00:47:08.031 What's going on? Who's winning? 00:47:08.120 --> 00:47:10.256 CORRESPONDENT : ...and Michelle Obama voted this morning in Chicago. 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.720 I voted. CORRESPONDENT : In Arizona... 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:13.035 Still early. 00:47:13.120 --> 00:47:15.336 ...John and Cindy McCain voted, and then they landed in Colorado 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.157 to defend a traditionally Republican state 00:47:17.240 --> 00:47:18.673 that has turned into a battleground. 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:19.760 Hey. Let's see. 00:47:20.200 --> 00:47:23.397 WOLF : (ON TV) Obama ahead 67% to 32%... (EXHALES DEEPLY) 00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:26.597 Come on, big ears. Check out Florida. 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.876 Holy shit, he's gonna win it! (LAUGHS) 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.350 What, Florida? Yeah! 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.431 That's big. Yeah. It's huge! 00:47:40.120 --> 00:47:43.510 You can act all nonchalant, but I know you were starting to root for him. 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.311 I've been watching your inner liberal grow. 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.600 For which I will take a modest percentage of the credit. 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:50.676 And you deserve it. (LINDSAY LAUGHING) 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:51.795 (CLEARS THROAT) 00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:55.275 What is this? 00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:56.588 WOLF :...in Missouri. 00:47:56.760 --> 00:47:59.354 56% for McCain, 43% for Obama. 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:02.950 Oh, yeah, that. Just... Leave that there. That's, uh... 00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.040 Russian hackers. The Agency says 00:48:07.120 --> 00:48:09.680 they can activate webcams now. So... 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:10.760 That's creepy. 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:13.070 Yes. It's really bothering me. 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:16.800 Whatever. It's not a big deal. You shouldn't let it bother you. 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:18.558 It's not a big deal? No. 00:48:18.640 --> 00:48:20.995 What, that someone could be watching you right now? 00:48:21.600 --> 00:48:24.273 No, I'm not hiding anything. 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:28.995 (EXHALES DEEPLY) That's such a bullshit line. What is? 00:48:29.120 --> 00:48:31.509 I have nothing to hide. I don't. 00:48:31.600 --> 00:48:32.794 Everyone does. 00:48:33.560 --> 00:48:35.869 Okay, well then, what do I have to hide? 00:48:36.640 --> 00:48:38.710 (SIGHS) Forget it. No, what do I have to hide? 00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:40.631 No, never... Let's just drop it. 00:48:40.720 --> 00:48:44.030 Well, apparently you think that I'm hiding something, so...(LAUGHS) 00:48:44.120 --> 00:48:46.554 Okay, the other day, your computer was open, 00:48:46.640 --> 00:48:49.438 and I happened to notice you were on the site where we met, 00:48:49.520 --> 00:48:50.816 and you were looking at other guys. 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:52.990 You just were looking at my computer? 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:55.216 I wouldn't have even brought this up. 00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:57.231 You asked me, "What do I have to hide?" 00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.311 That's something you're not telling me. 00:49:01.200 --> 00:49:05.751 (STUTTERS) Well, it's not... I don't do anything, 00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.075 I don't meet any of those people. 00:49:11.160 --> 00:49:12.798 You're gone for weeks at a time. 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:15.354 So it's like I'm peering into other peoples' lives 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.471 because my own is just temporarily on hold. 00:49:18.720 --> 00:49:20.039 That sounds like an excuse. 00:49:21.160 --> 00:49:22.354 It's the truth. 00:49:25.120 --> 00:49:26.235 (SIGHS) 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:42.355 I should have told you. And I didn't. 00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.069 I'm really sorry. But it's not a big deal. 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:51.920 Hey. 00:49:56.040 --> 00:49:57.359 (BREATHES DEEPLY) 00:50:01.080 --> 00:50:04.629 Look at me. I don't want anyone else. 00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.152 I don't want any other life. 00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:10.795 Okay? 00:50:25.520 --> 00:50:26.953 Listen, uh... 00:50:29.200 --> 00:50:32.510 I didn't go to London today 'cause I resigned. 00:50:34.680 --> 00:50:35.749 What? 00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:37.991 It was personal differences, 00:50:38.080 --> 00:50:40.150 and it was a matter of principle. 00:50:41.280 --> 00:50:42.872 Can you tell me anything else? 00:50:46.600 --> 00:50:47.919 Do you get reposted, or... 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:50.639 No, no, I resigned from the CIA. 00:50:52.160 --> 00:50:54.151 LINDSAY : So what does that mean? What do we do? 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:57.670 I don't know. I'll figure it out, but listen, I... 00:51:00.240 --> 00:51:03.596 This is a good thing. Trust me. 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:09.474 I do. 00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:13.079 (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:17.159 (EXHALES DEEPLY) 00:51:20.200 --> 00:51:21.838 Hey. Hmm? 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:23.429 He's gonna win. 00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:26.656 WOLF : (ON TV) 52% for Obama, 48% for McCain. 00:51:26.680 --> 00:51:27.874 Yeah, he'd better. 00:51:29.160 --> 00:51:33.073 CNN can now project that Barack Obama, 47 years old, 00:51:33.160 --> 00:51:35.879 will become the President of the United States. (PEOPLE CHEERING) 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.950 OBAMA : (ON TV) Every agency and department should know that this administration 00:51:40.040 --> 00:51:41.314 stands on the side 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.516 not of those who seek to withhold information, 00:51:43.600 --> 00:51:45.431 but those who seek to make it known. 00:51:48.120 --> 00:51:49.951 GLENN : Janine is the website editor 00:51:50.040 --> 00:51:52.998 of a small stateside office of a British newspaper, 00:51:53.080 --> 00:51:55.594 up against the most powerful government in the world. 00:51:55.680 --> 00:51:56.954 EWEN : She won't be bullied. 00:51:57.360 --> 00:51:59.396 We need to establish that we're not compromising 00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:01.311 national security by publishing. 00:52:01.400 --> 00:52:02.958 GLENN : We need to have alternatives. 00:52:03.040 --> 00:52:04.359 Listen, Ed, 00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:06.829 the real issue here is that they, the White House, 00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:10.196 are aware that Janine has a leaked top secret FISA court order. 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:11.474 Anything could happen. 00:52:11.560 --> 00:52:12.959 They could subpoena the Guardian 00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:14.176 and, for that matter, they could 00:52:14.200 --> 00:52:15.560 break through that door any minute, 00:52:15.640 --> 00:52:17.596 ending all of this. 00:52:17.680 --> 00:52:19.875 We are running out of time. 00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.032 We seriously have to think about doing this on our own website. 00:52:23.160 --> 00:52:24.434 We have no choice. 00:52:24.520 --> 00:52:26.317 Wait, you can't just start dumping articles 00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:28.237 on the Internet, Glenn! Be serious. 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:30.993 Look at WikiLeaks. It destroyed their credibility. 00:52:31.080 --> 00:52:32.638 Look, Ed, you said it yourself, 00:52:32.720 --> 00:52:36.156 if this isn't done properly, the world isn't gonna take notice. 00:52:36.240 --> 00:52:39.596 You need experienced journalists to lead the public 00:52:39.680 --> 00:52:42.148 through some very, very complicated stories. 00:52:42.240 --> 00:52:43.753 We are experienced journalists. 00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:45.673 My feeling... (PHONE RINGING) 00:52:52.960 --> 00:52:56.157 Has anyone called here before? Not once. Not in three weeks. 00:52:56.240 --> 00:52:57.832 Well, I'll... Shall I answer it? 00:52:57.960 --> 00:52:59.598 I'll tell 'em it's the wrong number. 00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:02.429 Yes? 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:05.353 No, I don't. 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.439 Okay. Thank you. 00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.191 Asking if I want turndown service. 00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:15.748 She said the "Do not disturb" sign was off the door. 00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:22.548 (DOOR CLOSES) 00:53:28.720 --> 00:53:30.438 (EWEN SIGHS) 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:33.633 (DOOR CLOSES) 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.029 So? 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:39.312 Do we wait? Or go on our own? 00:53:41.040 --> 00:53:42.240 Look, I said from the beginning 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:45.312 that how you publish is your business, 00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:47.152 and I trust you. 00:53:47.240 --> 00:53:49.959 The only thing I ask is you study the data, you be responsible, 00:53:50.080 --> 00:53:52.719 no names, no specifics, anything ongoing 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:54.950 that's critical, you don't release. 00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:57.429 You just stick to the issue of mass surveillance 00:53:57.520 --> 00:53:58.560 and let the people decide. 00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:01.800 GLENN : You have our word on that, but that's not the question. We have to ask... 00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:03.478 EWEN : Look, Ed, Ed, 00:54:03.560 --> 00:54:05.949 right now the White House is arranging a conference call 00:54:06.040 --> 00:54:08.110 between Janine and the intelligence services. 00:54:08.200 --> 00:54:11.272 Now that's gonna happen in a few hours. 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.239 Let's at least wait for that, see what they say to her. 00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:21.876 I'd say we pause a moment. 00:54:23.160 --> 00:54:24.616 EWEN : Yeah, I think we should reassemble 00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:26.176 in this room after the call takes place, 00:54:26.200 --> 00:54:29.829 so that's around midnight. Be noon in New York. 00:54:30.600 --> 00:54:32.113 All right. 00:54:32.200 --> 00:54:34.509 I'll take another pass at the PRISM story in the meantime. 00:54:34.600 --> 00:54:38.479 Okay. We'll be in our hotel room if you need us, okay? 00:54:38.560 --> 00:54:39.560 Thanks, Ewen. 00:54:39.640 --> 00:54:40.789 Yeah. Okay. 00:54:44.200 --> 00:54:45.519 (DOOR CLOSES) 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.198 Uh, do you mind maybe we take a break from that? 00:54:51.520 --> 00:54:53.078 For a second? 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.669 Oh, yeah. Sure, sorry. (CAMERA BEEPS) 00:54:56.840 --> 00:55:00.196 You wanna take a look? Might make you feel better. 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:03.039 Oh. (LAUGHS) It's not recording, just on standby. 00:55:03.120 --> 00:55:04.473 Okay. (LAUGHS) 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.475 When did this start for you? Not wanting your photo taken? 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.149 Uh, probably in Japan. (EXHALES DEEPLY) 00:55:13.240 --> 00:55:15.708 I remember every time a camera got pointed at me, 00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.155 it was like... Couldn't breathe. 00:55:19.160 --> 00:55:20.593 Why was that? 00:55:21.080 --> 00:55:25.437 I probably, uh, spent too much time looking at other people through cameras. 00:55:26.560 --> 00:55:28.869 Japan was your first NSA job, right? 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:33.909 Yeah, well, as a contractor with Dell. Had a lot of access. 00:55:34.400 --> 00:55:36.391 LAURA : Why'd you go back after Geneva? 00:55:39.520 --> 00:55:43.149 'Cause the money, and 'cause I wanted to live in Japan. 00:55:43.240 --> 00:55:44.992 And because of Obama, actually. 00:55:45.080 --> 00:55:47.719 You know, I thought things were gonna get better with him. 00:55:51.080 --> 00:55:52.479 I was wrong. 00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:57.916 (INDISTINCT CHATTER OVER PA) 00:55:58.040 --> 00:55:59.200 LAURA : What was it like there? 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:02.236 SNOWDEN : Well, in the first part of my day, 00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:06.518 I was building this round-the-clock backup system called Epic Shelter. 00:56:06.600 --> 00:56:09.114 So, if there was some catastrophe, 00:56:09.200 --> 00:56:12.078 say, uh, terrorists burned down every embassy 00:56:12.160 --> 00:56:14.720 and NSA post in the Middle East. 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:19.476 This program would ensure we wouldn't lose any of that data. 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:23.554 But then, I would have to put it aside when visitors would show up. 00:56:23.640 --> 00:56:24.640 Hi, Ed. 00:56:24.720 --> 00:56:29.510 SNOWDEN : NSA wanted to impress the Japanese, show them our reach. 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.233 They loved the live drone feeds. 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.470 This is over Pakistan. 00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:37.719 Right now. 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:40.072 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.995 SNOWDEN : They were not as thrilled to learn that we wanted them to help us 00:56:44.080 --> 00:56:46.196 spy on the Japanese population. 00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.073 They said it was against their laws. 00:56:51.240 --> 00:56:53.390 Course we tapped the entire country anyway. 00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:56.316 And we didn't stop there, 00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:58.550 'cause once we owned their communications systems, 00:56:58.640 --> 00:57:01.552 we started going after their physical infrastructure. 00:57:01.640 --> 00:57:05.918 We'd slip these little sleeper programs into power grids, 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.956 dams, hospitals, 00:57:08.040 --> 00:57:10.110 and the idea was if the day came 00:57:10.200 --> 00:57:12.589 when Japan was no longer an ally, 00:57:12.680 --> 00:57:13.999 it'd be lights out. 00:57:14.120 --> 00:57:15.917 (POWERING DOWN) 00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:18.474 And it wasn't just the Japanese. 00:57:18.560 --> 00:57:22.075 We were planting malware in Mexico, Germany, 00:57:22.160 --> 00:57:23.832 Brazil, Austria. 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:28.915 I mean, China I can understand, or Russia, or Iran, 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.673 or Venezuela, okay. But Austria? 00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:32.994 (COWBELL DINGS) 00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.477 You're also being ordered to follow most world leaders 00:57:36.560 --> 00:57:38.152 and heads of industry. 00:57:38.240 --> 00:57:41.550 You know, you're tracking trade deals, sex scandals, 00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.553 diplomatic cables to give the U. S. 00:57:44.640 --> 00:57:47.108 An advantage in negotiations at the G8, 00:57:47.200 --> 00:57:50.795 or leverage over Brazilian oil companies, 00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:55.032 or helping to oust some third-world leader who's not playing ball. 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.630 And ultimately, the truth sinks in 00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:01.553 that no matter what justification you're selling yourself, 00:58:01.640 --> 00:58:03.915 this is not about terrorism. 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:07.277 Terrorism is the excuse. 00:58:10.240 --> 00:58:14.950 This is about economic and social control. 00:58:16.560 --> 00:58:19.074 And the only thing you're really protecting 00:58:19.160 --> 00:58:21.549 is the supremacy of your government. 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:33.991 LAURA : Were you thinking about going to journalists then? 00:58:34.080 --> 00:58:37.038 No. No, that wouldn't have occurred to me back then. 00:58:38.640 --> 00:58:42.679 I just thought, you know, the system will self-correct, 00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:46.275 and the President will keep his promise that got him elected... 00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.194 That's actually when I first started reading about you and your films. 00:58:52.280 --> 00:58:53.349 It was in Glenn's blog. 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:56.512 You were being detained in airports for hours. 00:58:56.600 --> 00:59:00.434 Thirty-seven times. For investigating your own country's wars. 00:59:00.640 --> 00:59:05.111 (SIGHS) That's why I'm going back to Berlin to edit. You can trust me with this. 00:59:05.640 --> 00:59:07.790 I do. Yeah. 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.714 I haven't trusted anyone in years. 00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:21.557 It was a welcome change when they put me on terrorism watch duty. 00:59:22.240 --> 00:59:25.915 Every day, I'd go in and I'd get starting points for SIGINT, 00:59:26.040 --> 00:59:28.634 which is signals intelligence. (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 00:59:30.160 --> 00:59:33.914 A lot of them were American, which felt strange, 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:35.831 but you just keep reminding yourself, 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.913 I could stop a dirty bomb attack and save thousands of lives. 00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:43.950 The thing is, you're not just following your bad guy targets. 00:59:44.040 --> 00:59:46.600 You're also following their metadata, 00:59:46.680 --> 00:59:50.673 which is basically all the phone numbers that they're in touch with. 00:59:51.600 --> 00:59:55.309 Let's say your target is a shady Iranian banker 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:57.914 operating out of Beirut, okay. 00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.434 So you're watching his stuff, but you're also watching 01:00:00.520 --> 01:00:02.954 all the people that he talks to. 01:00:03.040 --> 01:00:05.634 Including, you know, his cousin, 01:00:05.720 --> 01:00:08.280 who's just some dentist living in Buffalo. 01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.158 And then you have to watch all of that guy's contacts. 01:00:11.240 --> 01:00:14.596 And by the time you go a third hop out from the original target, 01:00:14.680 --> 01:00:20.198 you're watching this bartender chat with her mother about Botox. 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:25.274 'Cause three hops from anyone with, say, 40 contacts, 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:27.999 you're looking at a list of 2. 5 million people. 01:00:30.560 --> 01:00:32.676 And there's that moment when 01:00:32.760 --> 01:00:36.355 you're sitting there and the scale of it hits you. 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:41.116 The NSA is really tracking every cell phone in the world. 01:00:41.240 --> 01:00:43.037 No matter who you are, 01:00:43.160 --> 01:00:45.799 every day of your life, you're sitting in a database 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.474 just ready to be looked at. 01:00:48.560 --> 01:00:50.278 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 01:00:59.040 --> 01:01:04.672 SNOWDEN : And not just terrorists, or countries, or corporations, but you. 01:01:13.240 --> 01:01:15.276 Was Lindsay with you in Japan? 01:01:17.080 --> 01:01:20.675 Japan was difficult for us. 01:01:23.680 --> 01:01:25.636 I guess you couldn't talk about your work. 01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:27.319 No. (LAUGHS) 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.549 There was this one night, uh, towards the end, 01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.158 when, uh, we were supposed to go climb Mount Fuji the next day... 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.077 (SONG PLAYING) 01:01:44.480 --> 01:01:45.480 Wow! 01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.868 Are you gonna post that on Twitter? 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:50.960 No. 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.714 They're just for me. What do you think? 01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.231 You should delete those. 01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:01.079 That's not quite the artistic critique I was going for. 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:03.032 I'm sorry. You just... You should... 01:02:03.120 --> 01:02:04.976 You can't have stuff like that on your hard drive. 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:06.035 LINDSAY : Yes, I can. 01:02:06.120 --> 01:02:10.079 Can you just please... I'm asking you, can you delete them? 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:12.159 Russian hackers again? 01:02:12.240 --> 01:02:13.275 No... 01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.159 Is it us? 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:21.075 It's classified. 01:02:22.640 --> 01:02:23.868 Am I a target? 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:25.188 Of course not. 01:02:26.480 --> 01:02:28.755 Clearly someone is looking at my nude portraits. 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:30.717 Okay. I shouldn't have brought it up. 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.109 All right? It's issues of national security. 01:02:35.200 --> 01:02:37.350 Well, I am flattered that my boobs 01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:39.311 are considered an issue of national security, 01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:41.176 but you're gonna have to do a lot better than that. 01:02:41.200 --> 01:02:43.668 I'd rather not talk about stuff that could land us in jail. 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.576 LINDSAY : So that's what the Band-Aids are about, then? 01:02:45.600 --> 01:02:47.431 And your camera phobia? 01:02:47.520 --> 01:02:48.714 Because of work? 01:02:49.680 --> 01:02:51.113 Are they watching us? 01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:53.478 Who are they watching? No one, okay? 01:02:53.560 --> 01:02:55.198 Let's just stop talking about it. 01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.949 Let's go to bed, and wake up in the morning, 01:03:01.360 --> 01:03:03.635 and go climb this fucking mountain. All right? 01:03:04.680 --> 01:03:06.176 Of course we're not gonna talk about it. 01:03:06.200 --> 01:03:07.474 What is that supposed to mean? 01:03:07.560 --> 01:03:10.028 It means that we don't talk about anything anymore. 01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:13.354 You work 12-hour days, you come home depressed, 01:03:13.440 --> 01:03:15.795 you play fucking video games, and then you fall asleep. 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:17.552 Yeah, I'm tired 'cause I have a job. 01:03:17.640 --> 01:03:19.039 That's what pays for this apartment 01:03:19.120 --> 01:03:20.838 in the most expensive city in the world. 01:03:20.920 --> 01:03:24.151 Which you asked me to come to knowing that I did not have a work visa. 01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:25.468 Okay, what if you had one? 01:03:25.560 --> 01:03:29.075 Would you really give up your beautiful life of eating and sleeping 01:03:29.200 --> 01:03:31.760 and going out all the time? You think you'd really want a career? 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.156 A career like yours? Where I'm miserable all the time? No. 01:03:35.240 --> 01:03:37.390 That's called responsibility. 01:03:38.080 --> 01:03:40.150 (CHUCKLES) Fuck this. 01:03:40.240 --> 01:03:42.071 You know what? You have no fucking idea 01:03:42.160 --> 01:03:44.833 what it's like to be accountable for other people's lives, 01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:46.990 because you live in a fairy tale land 01:03:47.080 --> 01:03:48.991 where just there are no consequences, 01:03:49.080 --> 01:03:50.672 and no one ever gets hurt. 01:03:51.520 --> 01:03:52.919 (SIGHS) 01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:58.071 (VOICE BREAKING) No. No, you, you don't get hurt. 01:03:59.600 --> 01:04:00.919 (SOBS) I get fucking crushed. 01:04:01.040 --> 01:04:02.837 Fucking bullshit! I've done nothing to you! 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:04.876 That's exactly right. You have done nothing! 01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:07.990 You don't hang out with me, you don't laugh with me, 01:04:08.080 --> 01:04:10.913 you don't even fucking touch me anymore. 01:04:13.160 --> 01:04:14.388 I'm sorry. Stop! 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.632 No! (SOBS) 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:32.115 We, uh, never made it to Mount Fuji. (LAUGHS SOFTLY) 01:04:33.640 --> 01:04:37.269 And Lindsay left pretty soon after that, and... 01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:40.518 I was really lonely there. 01:04:42.120 --> 01:04:44.480 But after three months, I left too. I went back to Maryland. 01:04:45.720 --> 01:04:47.199 (DOORBELL RINGING) 01:05:08.520 --> 01:05:09.635 (CHUCKLES) 01:05:12.640 --> 01:05:14.232 And I promised her I'd change. 01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:17.071 And, uh, we moved back in together. 01:05:17.160 --> 01:05:18.576 (PIANO MUSIC PLAYING) Make sure your knees stay bent, 01:05:18.600 --> 01:05:21.512 and then you can fully extend once you feel stable. Ready? 01:05:21.600 --> 01:05:23.636 One, two, three. 01:05:24.320 --> 01:05:25.320 All the way up. 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:26.976 Now you wanna clench between your knees. 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.434 It'll burn, but it's a good burn. 01:05:29.520 --> 01:05:30.520 Perfect. 01:05:30.560 --> 01:05:31.993 Twirl around. 01:05:33.600 --> 01:05:35.830 (CLAPPING) Perfect! Oh, my God, I'm so proud of you! 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:37.751 SNOWDEN : When you're really happy, 01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.196 there's a large part of you that just wants to stay happy. 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.511 And you start to think, what could be more important than this? 01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:51.193 What! Is it okay? 01:05:51.920 --> 01:05:54.036 Oh, my God. It's so beautiful. 01:05:55.560 --> 01:05:59.633 SNOWDEN : You know, lots of people cruise happily through life. 01:06:01.240 --> 01:06:02.719 Why can't I? (CAMERA CLICKING) 01:06:11.720 --> 01:06:13.278 And I went back to work at the CIA. 01:06:13.440 --> 01:06:15.032 With backdoors... 01:06:15.120 --> 01:06:17.873 My official title was Solutions Consultant. 01:06:18.840 --> 01:06:22.037 Basically I was hawking overpriced hardware for a living. 01:06:22.120 --> 01:06:23.792 But I thought you had resigned? 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:26.348 Yeah, well, it was all contract work after Geneva. 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:28.670 You know, it's Booz Allen Hamilton, 01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:30.876 or Dell, in partnership 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:33.997 with CIA or NSA, DIA. 01:06:34.560 --> 01:06:38.633 That's the intelligence community's revolving door. 01:06:40.160 --> 01:06:42.628 How was it? Being back in the States? 01:06:43.120 --> 01:06:46.669 It was, uh, it was really good to be home. 01:06:49.000 --> 01:06:53.118 But Maryland was where things started to turn for me. 01:06:53.880 --> 01:06:58.556 Every time I felt like I was finally letting go of all the anxiety 01:06:58.640 --> 01:07:01.234 and all the questions that used to keep me up at night, 01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.233 I'd learn something else, and I just couldn't ignore it. 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.228 Like, there were these three high-level officials at the NSA, 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:12.039 Bill Binney, Ed Loomis, and Kirk Wiebe. 01:07:12.120 --> 01:07:16.318 They'd been filing complaints about abuse and overreach for years. 01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:20.188 That's all they did, they just filed complaints, 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.431 and the FBI raided their homes. 01:07:23.560 --> 01:07:25.073 Then there was Thomas Drake. 01:07:25.160 --> 01:07:27.116 Like the other three guys, Drake was trying 01:07:27.200 --> 01:07:29.475 to change things from the inside. 01:07:29.560 --> 01:07:31.949 But when nothing worked, he did go to the press. 01:07:32.040 --> 01:07:35.953 So they hit him with the Espionage Act, and we were shocked. 01:07:36.040 --> 01:07:37.951 The whole intel community. 01:07:38.040 --> 01:07:39.416 SCOTT : (ON VIDEO) Why do you think you were charged? 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:40.953 To send a chilling message. 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:42.360 To whom? 01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:45.000 To other whistleblowers, to others in the government, 01:07:45.120 --> 01:07:47.190 not to speak out. 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:51.319 Do not tell truth to power. We'll hammer you. 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.559 O'BRIAN : There's a new program being developed 01:07:55.640 --> 01:07:57.995 at the NSA's op center on Oahu. 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:02.549 You'd be going up against Chinese cyber divisions. 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:04.989 You interested? 01:08:07.640 --> 01:08:10.916 Won't be the vast sums of money you're making now, 01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.468 but you'd be performing a critical service for your country. 01:08:13.560 --> 01:08:14.879 I know that's important to you. 01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:17.269 You mean service like in Geneva? 01:08:17.360 --> 01:08:20.193 Matt was a mistake. Shouldn't have pushed you into that. 01:08:20.280 --> 01:08:21.320 You didn't push me into it. 01:08:21.400 --> 01:08:23.516 I asked for exposure to field ops, you gave it to me. 01:08:23.600 --> 01:08:25.318 I won't hold that against you. 01:08:27.360 --> 01:08:29.828 Is there something you do hold against me? 01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:35.240 You didn't tell me we were running 01:08:35.280 --> 01:08:37.510 a dragnet on the whole world, Corbin. 01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:42.472 (DOG BARKING) 01:08:49.040 --> 01:08:51.190 (GUNSHOTS) 01:09:01.160 --> 01:09:02.388 Great shooting, Ed. 01:09:02.480 --> 01:09:03.799 Thank you. 01:09:04.280 --> 01:09:05.838 That's terrific. 01:09:06.400 --> 01:09:08.709 (LAUGHS) It's the one thing in the Army I was good at. 01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:16.438 O'BRIAN : You ever think, Ed, 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:21.355 since the Second World War, it's been 60 years and still no WW III. 01:09:22.280 --> 01:09:23.395 Why? 01:09:24.400 --> 01:09:28.313 Because we've used our power generally for the good of the world. 01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:31.918 For prosperity, order. 01:09:32.160 --> 01:09:33.878 How can we defend ourselves against 01:09:33.960 --> 01:09:37.157 nuclear war, terror attacks, cyber-attacks 01:09:37.240 --> 01:09:39.629 without a centralized intel factory 01:09:39.720 --> 01:09:41.597 working around the world night and day? 01:09:42.400 --> 01:09:45.233 So we should catalogue billions of people's lives? 01:09:45.320 --> 01:09:48.676 O'BRIAN : Most people already catalogue their lives for public consumption. 01:09:48.760 --> 01:09:51.911 Well, they catalogue part of their lives, and they do it by choice. 01:09:52.040 --> 01:09:54.496 We're not giving them the choice. We're just taking everything. 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:58.274 Most Americans don't want freedom, they want security. 01:09:59.120 --> 01:10:00.678 It's a simple bargain. If... 01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:02.756 Good girl! Good girl! (GROWLS) 01:10:03.600 --> 01:10:05.352 If you want to play with all the new toys 01:10:05.440 --> 01:10:08.398 and be safe, you pay the price of admission. 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.639 Yeah, except people, 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.536 they don't even know they've made that bargain. 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:16.790 Where's the modern battlefield, soldier? 01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:19.640 Everywhere. 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.349 (MAN SHOUTING) O'BRIAN : What's the first rule of battle? 01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:24.112 Never reveal your position. 01:10:25.080 --> 01:10:29.870 And if one unauthorized person knew? If Congress knew? 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:31.712 So would the enemy. 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.839 That, Mr. Snowden, is the state of the world. 01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.589 Secrecy is security, and security is victory. 01:10:40.120 --> 01:10:42.429 (PEOPLE SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY IN THE DISTANCE) 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:45.159 (DOG BARKS) 01:10:47.320 --> 01:10:48.878 Thank you, sir. 01:10:50.480 --> 01:10:51.708 Someone I want you to meet. 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:53.816 MAN : Beautiful day for it, wasn't it? Perfect weather. 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.308 Mr. Lowell. Jim. 01:10:56.800 --> 01:10:58.756 How are you? Dorian. 01:10:58.840 --> 01:11:00.193 Alan. Nice to see you. 01:11:00.280 --> 01:11:01.395 O'BRIAN : Welcome to the U.S. 01:11:01.480 --> 01:11:03.038 How'd you make out today, Corbin? 01:11:03.160 --> 01:11:05.958 Uh, very mediocre. Nothing like Ed here. 01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.393 Apparently the Army's training people to shoot straight. 01:11:09.480 --> 01:11:11.277 So this is Ed Snowden. 01:11:11.360 --> 01:11:12.560 Yes, sir. Pleasure to meet you. 01:11:12.680 --> 01:11:15.069 The brains behind Epic Shelter. That's right. 01:11:15.160 --> 01:11:16.496 That's brilliant work. Thank you, sir. 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:18.016 Yeah, I had a few questions I wanted to ask you. 01:11:18.040 --> 01:11:20.873 Uh, Jim. Will you excuse me, gentlemen? 01:11:21.320 --> 01:11:22.719 Excuse me, Alan. Nice to meet you. 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:27.991 Yeah, it's proving very useful to our UAV program. 01:11:28.080 --> 01:11:31.277 Yes, I heard. With foreign site intel transfer. 01:11:31.360 --> 01:11:32.952 Transfers happen on collection now. 01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:36.350 They go straight to the Pentagon, Mossad if they need it. 01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.193 Actionable immediately. No one sees it. 01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:40.634 It's improved the response time 01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:42.597 of our drone pilots by a factor of ten. 01:11:43.200 --> 01:11:46.636 Tell me, Ed. You worked signals intelligence in Japan too, yes? 01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:47.789 Yes, sir. 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:49.632 How'd you like it? 01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:53.235 It was a very empowering job, sir. (LAUGHS) 01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:57.512 With this new job in Hawaii, you'd have even more access. 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:01.718 I asked Corbin to start the conversation. But the offer is mine. 01:12:03.760 --> 01:12:05.352 Take your time. 01:12:05.440 --> 01:12:06.616 It's going to take a few months 01:12:06.640 --> 01:12:08.949 to get this program on its feet. 01:12:09.040 --> 01:12:11.679 If you'll excuse me, gentlemen, I see dinner. 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.597 ATTENDANT : Beer, sir? Thank you. 01:12:15.280 --> 01:12:17.077 Sir, for you? Uh, no, thank you. 01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:24.796 Epic Shelter was meant as a backup program. 01:12:26.080 --> 01:12:29.516 Lowell is creating this position for you, Ed. 01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.194 You'd be the first contractor outside Fort Meade 01:12:32.280 --> 01:12:33.918 working counter-cyber. 01:12:35.120 --> 01:12:37.190 It's your ticket to the top. 01:12:44.120 --> 01:12:45.997 (MEAT SIZZLING) 01:12:48.280 --> 01:12:50.016 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR : Do you believe the United States 01:12:50.040 --> 01:12:51.996 is the greatest country in the world? 01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:53.718 Yes. (BEEPING) 01:12:55.240 --> 01:12:56.296 POLYGRAPH ADMINISTRATOR : Have you ever used 01:12:56.320 --> 01:12:58.993 any programs you were unauthorized for? 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:05.995 SNOWDEN : No. 01:13:06.480 --> 01:13:07.480 (BEEPS) 01:13:18.440 --> 01:13:21.193 LINDSAY : We're not usually supposed to submit our own work, 01:13:21.280 --> 01:13:24.556 but my editor said she'd make an exception. 01:13:24.640 --> 01:13:25.675 Pretty neat, huh? 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:33.150 (GRUNTS) I get to submit an entry. 01:13:36.360 --> 01:13:38.954 You ignoring me on purpose, or what? 01:13:39.040 --> 01:13:41.554 No. Sorry. Shit. Uh... 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:44.355 (SIGHS) I was just thinking. 01:13:44.480 --> 01:13:45.674 About what? 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:53.349 I wanted to talk to you about it at dinner, 01:13:53.440 --> 01:13:55.670 but let's just... Will you come sit down? 01:13:57.160 --> 01:13:59.230 Is everything okay? 01:13:59.320 --> 01:14:00.514 Yeah. 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:02.788 Um... 01:14:03.560 --> 01:14:07.519 The, uh, Deputy Director of the NSA... 01:14:07.600 --> 01:14:09.079 Hmm? (INHALES DEEPLY) 01:14:09.240 --> 01:14:11.390 He offered me a new position. 01:14:11.560 --> 01:14:14.518 And, uh, that was a while back, and now they need an answer. 01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:17.870 Well, is it something you want to do? 01:14:19.280 --> 01:14:21.077 I'd be good at it. 01:14:23.040 --> 01:14:25.508 Can you tell me anything about it? (LAUGHING) 01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.552 (LAUGHS) You know I can't. 01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:30.473 I know. Mission first. 01:14:31.120 --> 01:14:32.473 (INHALES DEEPLY) 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:35.234 Well, are there social perks? White House galas, maybe? 01:14:35.440 --> 01:14:39.433 The position is in Hawaii. 01:14:47.400 --> 01:14:50.278 We worked really hard to get where we're at. 01:14:51.720 --> 01:14:54.951 And you're willing to just rip it all up again? 01:14:55.040 --> 01:14:56.917 Like we finally have a house that we love, 01:14:57.000 --> 01:14:58.831 and a job that I like, and real friends, 01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:00.920 and we're close to our families. I... I understand. 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.878 And if you want to stay, then we're staying. 01:15:04.400 --> 01:15:05.515 That's it. 01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:08.416 Don't just say that 'cause I wanna hear it. 01:15:08.440 --> 01:15:09.440 I'm not. 01:15:13.720 --> 01:15:16.075 I let you go once, I'm not gonna do it again. 01:15:21.480 --> 01:15:22.959 (LID RATTLING) 01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:25.791 Shit. I'm sorry. The pasta. 01:15:25.920 --> 01:15:27.520 It's gonna... One sec. (LINDSAY CHUCKLES) 01:15:38.880 --> 01:15:40.376 You know, I think I actually came pretty close 01:15:40.400 --> 01:15:42.436 to getting it right this time. 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.273 LINDSAY : I'll get some candles. 01:16:23.320 --> 01:16:26.153 (VOICE ECHOING) Oh, my God! Ed! Ed! Ed! 01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:31.308 (INAUDIBLE) 01:16:43.200 --> 01:16:44.713 SNOWDEN : I know Tegretol. 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.936 I know it slows you down, 'cause I've seen it in my mom. 01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:50.679 She's taken all kinds of medications her whole life. 01:16:51.200 --> 01:16:53.714 Well, they work in 70% of cases. 01:16:56.200 --> 01:16:59.431 Ed, epilepsy is a serious condition. 01:16:59.520 --> 01:17:02.432 If you have a seizure driving yourself, 01:17:02.520 --> 01:17:04.636 or with someone else in the car, 01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:08.110 or you're in a place where you could fall, 01:17:08.200 --> 01:17:10.714 this is not something to be lightly regarded. 01:17:10.800 --> 01:17:13.553 It's essential you commit yourself to this medication. 01:17:16.040 --> 01:17:17.314 Okay? 01:17:19.280 --> 01:17:20.349 Yeah. 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.113 After you. Oh, thank you. 01:17:27.240 --> 01:17:28.468 (BOTH LAUGHING) 01:17:31.480 --> 01:17:34.313 I've been thinking about what the doctor said. 01:17:34.400 --> 01:17:35.913 About less stress. 01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.556 A warmer climate could help. 01:17:43.400 --> 01:17:44.913 (INHALES DEEPLY) 01:17:45.240 --> 01:17:47.913 If Hawaii is something that we decide 01:17:48.000 --> 01:17:51.197 would be better for you, I'll go. 01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:11.354 EWEN : Janine, how'd the White House conversation go? 01:18:11.440 --> 01:18:12.496 JANINE : (OVER PHONE) I made it quite clear 01:18:12.520 --> 01:18:15.432 that we were in possession of an authentic FISA court order. 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:17.988 They wanted to see it. We refused. 01:18:18.080 --> 01:18:20.435 Now I just pray that it's actually authentic. 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:23.678 Are you actually questioning that? 01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.598 Glenn, no one has ever seen a FISA court order. 01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:28.358 There's no precedent here. 01:18:28.440 --> 01:18:31.398 Our source risked his life for that document. It's real. 01:18:32.080 --> 01:18:35.675 T ell us, did the White House make any specific claims 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.116 about national security that would prevent you from publishing? 01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:44.999 No. I asked them repeatedly, and they had no substantive answer. 01:18:45.080 --> 01:18:46.456 Then, there you go! What more do you want? 01:18:46.480 --> 01:18:48.232 You can go out and know that you're safe. 01:18:48.320 --> 01:18:52.313 Glenn, I'd like to talk to Alan before we go any further. 01:18:52.400 --> 01:18:53.435 EWEN : When does he land? 01:18:53.520 --> 01:18:54.776 STUART : (OVER COMPUTER) In six hours. 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:57.792 No. Absolutely not! We're sitting ducks here, Janine. 01:18:58.320 --> 01:18:59.639 It's 1:00 p.m. in New York. 01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:01.456 If you don't get this out in the next four hours, 01:19:01.480 --> 01:19:03.296 you'll miss the evening news on the East Coast. 01:19:03.320 --> 01:19:05.788 But we can post later tonight. 01:19:07.320 --> 01:19:08.320 I'm sorry, Glenn. 01:19:08.360 --> 01:19:10.641 But Alan's our editor-in-chief, and I really think that... 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:13.478 Bullshit! The government knows that we have these documents now. 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.910 The CIA could barge through this door any minute, and you want more time! 01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:20.838 Act like a fucking journalist and stop stringing us along! 01:19:20.920 --> 01:19:24.071 I just stood my ground with the goddamn White House! 01:19:24.160 --> 01:19:25.434 I've risked my career! 01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:27.480 How dare you question my commitment to this story! 01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:28.936 Okay, let's just keep our voices down... 01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:30.176 No, you're right. I am questioning it. 01:19:30.200 --> 01:19:32.509 This is absolutely inappropriate. 01:19:33.320 --> 01:19:35.356 We are publishing ourselves. You're out. 01:19:36.040 --> 01:19:37.439 (SCOFFS) 01:19:46.040 --> 01:19:47.109 All right, Glenn. 01:19:47.200 --> 01:19:49.509 We'll have it ready by 4:00 p.m. 01:19:50.200 --> 01:19:53.033 I have to go over the story once more. Why? 01:19:53.200 --> 01:19:55.919 Because it still needs editing, damn you. 01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:58.912 All this fucking intelligence jargon is hurting our brains. 01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:02.675 This PRISM story is still incomprehensible. 01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:04.239 PRISM is the second story, Janine. 01:20:04.360 --> 01:20:06.157 Verizon is the first story. 01:20:06.280 --> 01:20:08.794 Have it ready to post by 4:00 p. m., 5:00 at the latest. 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.108 Ugh... 01:20:10.360 --> 01:20:11.475 No games, or we're gone. 01:20:16.200 --> 01:20:18.350 (HEAVY BREATHING) 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:39.313 SNOWDEN : So, my new job was counter-spying 01:20:39.400 --> 01:20:44.235 on the Chinese at the NSA Regional Cryptological Center on Oahu. 01:20:46.320 --> 01:20:48.595 Hi. You mind placing your bag down there, sir? 01:20:50.440 --> 01:20:53.432 No personal laptops, no USB sticks, no cell phones, 01:20:53.520 --> 01:20:54.953 no electronic devices of any kind? 01:20:55.040 --> 01:20:56.109 No, sir. 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:00.432 (WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON PA) 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:05.915 GUARD : Thank you. 01:21:10.120 --> 01:21:11.235 Thank you. 01:21:15.640 --> 01:21:18.552 Snow White! Is that you? 01:21:20.040 --> 01:21:21.040 Gabriel? 01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:23.475 Dude, what the hell are you doing here? (CHUCKLES) Wow! 01:21:23.560 --> 01:21:24.595 That's amazing. 01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:25.715 Oh, man. 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:27.109 What, do you work here? 01:21:27.200 --> 01:21:31.637 Yeah, yeah. Uh, three years, two months, and five days. 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.871 But who's counting, right? Yeah. 01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:38.236 It's like who knew a secret underground World War II-era base 01:21:38.320 --> 01:21:40.456 would become munchie heaven for a thousand geeks, right? 01:21:40.480 --> 01:21:42.040 So there's good pizza? Good pizza, yeah. 01:21:42.080 --> 01:21:43.080 That's important. 01:21:43.160 --> 01:21:44.718 Elevator's slow as shit, though. 01:21:44.800 --> 01:21:45.800 Jesus. 01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:47.160 GABRIEL : It's something else, huh? 01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:52.270 Yeah. So, uh, what deck are you working on? 01:21:52.360 --> 01:21:54.999 You NTOC or ROC? 01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:00.912 Between you and me? NTOC. (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:02.513 Cool. You get to hack the hackers. 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:03.828 You're coming up in the world. 01:22:08.160 --> 01:22:09.957 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:16.234 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) Fresh brains for you, Trevor. 01:22:16.320 --> 01:22:18.515 Trevor James, Interactive Ops Division Chief. 01:22:18.600 --> 01:22:19.600 Ed Snowden. 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:22.194 I've been briefed. Next door is NTOC. 01:22:23.120 --> 01:22:25.190 Defense. That's where you'll be working. 01:22:26.160 --> 01:22:28.230 Over here we have ROC, our offense. 01:22:29.040 --> 01:22:32.430 Now I move between the two. We run a tight ship here, Snowden. 01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:33.873 Yes, sir. 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:35.188 You'll be working with Haynes. 01:22:35.280 --> 01:22:36.713 Hey. Patrick Haynes. 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:38.176 Hey. Nice to meet you. Good to have you. 01:22:38.200 --> 01:22:39.428 You watch out for him. 01:22:39.520 --> 01:22:41.336 That's the smartest guy in the building right here. 01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:42.360 (CHUCKLES) Come on. 01:22:42.440 --> 01:22:44.016 Bro, how many languages you speak, again? 01:22:44.040 --> 01:22:47.032 I mean, seven in code, six spoken, two signs. 01:22:47.120 --> 01:22:48.120 That's cool. 01:22:53.400 --> 01:22:56.233 Great. Another language I can't understand. 01:22:56.320 --> 01:22:57.673 Uh, I'll check you later, Ed. 01:22:57.760 --> 01:22:58.829 Okay. See you. 01:23:03.240 --> 01:23:04.593 TREVOR : Wait for it. 01:23:06.080 --> 01:23:08.230 Any moment. 01:23:11.080 --> 01:23:12.080 TECHNICIAN : We got 'em. 01:23:12.120 --> 01:23:13.760 TREVOR : Lights over Waziristan, gentlemen. 01:23:14.040 --> 01:23:15.109 Way to go. 01:23:15.200 --> 01:23:17.919 So what exactly do we contribute to this? 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:19.696 The underside of that Reaper drone 01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:21.472 is fixed with a big-ass antenna, 01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:24.319 snarfing the hardware ID of anything that broadcasts. 01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:26.675 We do the geolocator. 01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:27.936 My friend Tasha here at the Air Force 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:29.598 rains hellfire. There she is now. 01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.920 FEMALE DRONE PILOT : Hey, Trev. You likin' the show? 01:23:32.400 --> 01:23:34.470 You know it. We track 'em, you whack 'em. 01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:36.392 SNOWDEN : And who did we just track? 01:23:37.160 --> 01:23:38.752 Not who, what. 01:23:38.840 --> 01:23:41.991 We're targeting bad guys' cell phones. Sometimes the SIM card. 01:23:42.120 --> 01:23:44.509 Okay, and how do we know the bad guy 01:23:44.600 --> 01:23:46.192 is in possession of the bad cell phone 01:23:46.280 --> 01:23:47.429 when we strike? 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:48.555 Well, we don't... 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:51.638 Course we do. JSOC and CIA have their people in the field. 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:54.479 What's the program name? 01:23:55.360 --> 01:23:56.839 Epic Shelter. 01:23:56.920 --> 01:24:00.071 It was originally some backup program for, um... 01:24:01.400 --> 01:24:02.549 Catastrophic site failure. 01:24:02.680 --> 01:24:04.636 Yeah. How did you know that? 01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:07.035 I built it. 01:24:07.280 --> 01:24:08.474 You? Yeah. 01:24:09.480 --> 01:24:11.376 You know I've actually... I've been thinking about, uh, 01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:13.550 another use for Epic Shelter. 01:24:13.640 --> 01:24:14.675 What'd you have in mind? 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:17.596 Well, I was chatting with Jim Lowell 01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:18.736 about how there's so many programs... 01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:19.795 Deputy Director Lowell? 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:22.030 Yeah. Yeah. 01:24:22.160 --> 01:24:24.355 And we were saying there's so many programs nowadays, 01:24:24.440 --> 01:24:26.536 it's kind of impossible to keep track of them anymore, right? 01:24:26.560 --> 01:24:29.233 So why not create a centralized database. 01:24:29.640 --> 01:24:31.073 Ah. Like an index. 01:24:31.160 --> 01:24:33.469 Yeah, exactly. Something that updates in real time, 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:37.269 you know, we've already got Epic Shelter collecting our finished intel. 01:24:37.360 --> 01:24:40.830 We just need a web portal to catalogue it, make it searchable. 01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:43.359 Let me think about it. 01:24:43.440 --> 01:24:45.431 In any case, I'd have to run it past Fort Meade. 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:46.555 SNOWDEN : Of course. 01:24:46.640 --> 01:24:47.789 Did you have a name? 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:50.995 Yeah, if it's not taken, I'd call it Heartbeat. 01:24:53.480 --> 01:24:56.199 Heartbeat. FEMALE DRONE PILOT : Six, five, four, 01:24:56.320 --> 01:24:59.676 three, two, one... 01:24:59.760 --> 01:25:01.079 Engage target. 01:25:16.160 --> 01:25:17.593 LINDSAY : You okay down there? 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:19.835 Yep. 01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:23.353 See, this is why I keep saying we need to hike more. 01:25:24.360 --> 01:25:25.475 SNOWDEN : You're right. 01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:27.029 Hey, can you look at me? 01:25:27.120 --> 01:25:28.120 Oh! 01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:31.348 LINDSAY : Come on. It's been years. (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 01:25:31.480 --> 01:25:34.358 By social media standards, you don't even exist anymore. 01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:36.029 Just one. 01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:40.121 Okay, smile. Show me your teeth! (CAMERA SHUTTER CLICKING) 01:25:41.840 --> 01:25:44.479 My elusive E, finally captured. 01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:46.437 So now I'm a viable boyfriend? 01:25:46.520 --> 01:25:47.714 Yes. (LAUGHS) 01:25:50.320 --> 01:25:53.039 Such a shame, you used to be such a cute little model. 01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:54.155 Little? Yeah. 01:25:54.240 --> 01:25:56.356 Was I little? Wait! (LAUGHING) 01:25:58.560 --> 01:25:59.913 Stop! 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.796 Oh, my God. What? 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:05.831 Think you got some sun! (CHUCKLES) 01:26:05.920 --> 01:26:07.990 I'm serious, it looks good! 01:26:08.080 --> 01:26:09.433 Well, that's impossible. 01:26:10.600 --> 01:26:14.195 Hey, um, I've been meaning to ask you, by the way. 01:26:14.280 --> 01:26:15.599 Did you switch pharmacies? 01:26:16.760 --> 01:26:20.036 'Cause I tried to pick up your prescription, 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:23.431 and I couldn't. 01:26:23.520 --> 01:26:24.748 Why did you do that? 01:26:27.240 --> 01:26:30.710 Uh, because I was there and thought it would be helpful. 01:26:43.080 --> 01:26:44.991 I stopped taking the Tegretol. 01:26:46.800 --> 01:26:49.439 What? When? 01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:51.192 A couple months ago. 01:26:51.280 --> 01:26:52.416 And you're just now telling me? 01:26:52.440 --> 01:26:54.192 I wanted to tell you. 01:26:54.280 --> 01:26:57.556 I did, I just... I can't take that stuff, it makes me groggy, 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:00.108 and I need to be sharp for work. 01:27:00.200 --> 01:27:01.838 I need to be on the ball all the time. 01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:03.096 What is it about this fucking job 01:27:03.120 --> 01:27:05.588 that makes it more important than your life? 01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:06.795 (SIGHS) 01:27:07.120 --> 01:27:08.314 I don't understand. 01:27:08.400 --> 01:27:09.719 Our government... 01:27:12.400 --> 01:27:13.799 Our government, what? 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:18.110 Our government is hemorrhaging billions of dollars 01:27:18.200 --> 01:27:20.714 every year to Chinese hackers. 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.314 And I've been hired to shut them down. 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:28.788 A lot of people are depending on me. 01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.831 More so than anyone else? 01:27:33.480 --> 01:27:34.480 Yes. 01:27:37.480 --> 01:27:41.155 No, this is bullshit. 01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:48.718 We didn't come to Hawaii for you to heal, did we? 01:27:49.920 --> 01:27:52.195 There was never gonna be a less stressful job out here. 01:27:52.280 --> 01:27:55.113 Look, I feel like I'm made to do this. 01:27:55.200 --> 01:28:00.149 And if I don't do it, then I don't know anybody else that can. 01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:07.515 It's like I'm on a trajectory that I can't turn back from. 01:28:10.680 --> 01:28:12.159 LINDSAY : You can always turn back. 01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:17.936 SENATOR WYDEN : What I wanted to see 01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:21.396 is if you could give me a yes or no answer to the question, 01:28:21.480 --> 01:28:25.871 "Does the NSA collect any type of data at all 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:29.396 "on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" 01:28:30.400 --> 01:28:31.549 DIRECTOR CLAPPER : No, sir. 01:28:32.200 --> 01:28:33.633 SENATOR WYDEN : It does not? 01:28:35.320 --> 01:28:36.799 Not wittingly. 01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.474 There are cases where they could inadvertently, 01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:41.437 perhaps, uh, collect, 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:43.112 but not wittingly. 01:28:43.200 --> 01:28:44.394 Oh, really? 01:28:44.480 --> 01:28:46.496 SENATOR WYDEN : Thank you, and I'll have additional questions 01:28:46.520 --> 01:28:48.397 to give you in writing on that point. 01:28:48.480 --> 01:28:49.595 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:51.073 SNOWDEN : Okay, so, uh, 01:28:51.160 --> 01:28:53.390 what I wanted to show you guys is, um, 01:28:53.480 --> 01:28:56.995 the slide I ran across while building this indexing program. 01:28:57.400 --> 01:28:58.435 And what is this? 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:00.318 Okay. So, this is data collection 01:29:00.400 --> 01:29:02.311 for the month of March 01:29:02.440 --> 01:29:04.670 worldwide, emails and Skype calls. 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:11.074 So France, 70 million. Germany, 500 million. Brazil, two billion. 01:29:11.800 --> 01:29:13.836 Inside the U.S., 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:17.151 3.1 billion emails and calls. 01:29:17.240 --> 01:29:19.595 That's not including any of the telecom company data. 01:29:19.680 --> 01:29:21.640 PATRICK : Okay, so what's the collection in Russia? 01:29:22.120 --> 01:29:25.635 SNOWDEN : Russia is 1.5 billion. 01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:27.358 Wait, so we're collecting twice as much 01:29:27.440 --> 01:29:29.032 in the U.S. as we are in Russia? 01:29:29.120 --> 01:29:30.256 Yeah, I figured it was a lot, but... 01:29:30.280 --> 01:29:32.510 GABRIEL : This shit is out of hand, man. 01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:34.670 Wait. Have you shown this to anyone else? 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:36.518 No, you guys are the first. 01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:38.835 Yeah, yeah, you know, I'd be careful about that. 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:40.936 You know, it could seem like you're rocking the boat. 01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:42.016 SNOWDEN : Yeah, you're right. 01:29:42.040 --> 01:29:44.235 No, I just, uh, I needed to know 01:29:44.320 --> 01:29:46.629 if I was the only one that thought this was crazy. 01:29:47.280 --> 01:29:48.713 TREVOR : What the fuck's going on? 01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:49.835 CATFISH : Hey, Trev. 01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:50.960 What are you doing in here? 01:29:51.040 --> 01:29:52.336 It's nothing. I was just showing them 01:29:52.360 --> 01:29:54.794 this one slide, I needed some input. 01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:55.995 Why the heat map? 01:29:56.080 --> 01:29:57.718 It's my bad, Trev. 01:29:57.800 --> 01:29:59.791 I made a bet with Ed about which country 01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:02.474 we were collecting the most signals from. 01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:04.471 He said Iran, I said Pakistan. 01:30:05.640 --> 01:30:06.993 Who won? 01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:08.755 Ed. 01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:09.880 (SOFT CHUCKLE) 01:30:11.400 --> 01:30:13.630 GABRIEL : Yeah, I need to head out. I'll see you guys. 01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:14.976 You're going down next time, man. 01:30:15.000 --> 01:30:16.115 Yeah, okay. 01:30:17.280 --> 01:30:18.918 No more bets. 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.000 And I don't want anyone unauthorized in here again. 01:30:21.080 --> 01:30:22.513 Especially not with Heartbeat. 01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:24.318 You're right. Won't happen again. 01:30:29.360 --> 01:30:30.360 (SIGHS) 01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:40.353 ALL : Happy birthday! 01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:42.232 (APPLAUSE AND CHATTER) 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:48.560 CATFISH :...in Vegas, looking at Afghanistan. 01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:50.756 So we're running late hours. 01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:53.633 So this blurry object comes wandering into the strike zone. 01:30:54.360 --> 01:30:56.237 We all knew that it was a kid. 01:30:56.520 --> 01:30:57.520 Poof. 01:30:57.920 --> 01:30:58.920 He's gone. 01:31:00.080 --> 01:31:02.280 We called in for clarification, and the report came back 01:31:02.360 --> 01:31:04.078 that it was a dog. 01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:06.233 Okay. Fine. 01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:10.998 Shift's long, day and night. I don't remember. 01:31:11.080 --> 01:31:13.992 But same village, two, three days later. 01:31:14.080 --> 01:31:15.354 We see the funeral party. 01:31:15.440 --> 01:31:17.635 We knew it was a kid that they were burying. 01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:19.915 Moms and dads wailing. 01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:22.719 And then the order comes down. Pretty clear. Hit 'em. 01:31:23.400 --> 01:31:24.400 Poof. 01:31:26.680 --> 01:31:29.478 And they are gone in a cloud of dust. 01:31:33.600 --> 01:31:36.160 I mean, all of them. (CHUCKLING) The whole fuckin' family. 01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:38.791 But the crazy thing is, 01:31:38.880 --> 01:31:40.711 you come home after work, 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:44.918 kiss your wife, your kids, back to work the next day. 01:31:45.040 --> 01:31:50.160 Pretty soon, you know, it just all becomes routine. 01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:52.960 (SIGHS) 01:31:53.160 --> 01:31:54.513 Fuck that. 01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:58.388 You make it sound criminal, man. It's war. It's a job. 01:31:58.480 --> 01:32:02.109 Oh, I don't know, man. You saying jobs can't be criminal? 01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:04.320 Not if you're working for the government. 01:32:05.080 --> 01:32:07.753 SNOWDEN : You ever hear about the Nuremberg trials, Trev? 01:32:08.720 --> 01:32:10.358 They weren't that long ago. 01:32:10.440 --> 01:32:13.512 Yeah. And we hung the Nazi big shots, right? 01:32:14.160 --> 01:32:16.515 Yeah, well, the big shots were the first trial, 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:20.513 but then the next trial were just the judges, 01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:23.592 and lawyers, and policemen, and guards, 01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:28.276 and ordinary people just doing their jobs, following orders. 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:31.596 That's where we got the Nuremberg principles, 01:32:31.680 --> 01:32:35.798 which then the UN made into international law, 01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:40.351 just in case ordinary jobs become criminal again. 01:32:43.640 --> 01:32:44.914 Just sayin'. 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:46.433 (DRONE WHIRRING) 01:32:52.160 --> 01:32:53.309 (THUD) (WOMAN SCREAMS) 01:32:53.640 --> 01:32:55.153 (CLAMORING) 01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:58.136 MAN : That's gotta wake you up. You okay? 01:32:58.160 --> 01:32:59.593 See, I told you not to grab my hand. 01:32:59.840 --> 01:33:01.512 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 01:33:12.440 --> 01:33:13.873 ...fucking touch me anymore. 01:33:30.600 --> 01:33:32.670 MAN : Dude! Dude, are you okay? WOMAN : Oh, my God. 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:34.193 LINDSAY : Ed, are you okay? 01:33:34.280 --> 01:33:36.077 Are you okay, man? I think he's having a... 01:33:36.200 --> 01:33:37.872 LINDSAY : Get away, don't touch him. 01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:40.160 MAN : Don't touch him, don't touch him. LINDSAY : Don't... 01:34:02.440 --> 01:34:03.555 (SIGHS) 01:34:08.480 --> 01:34:12.553 Hey, Ed. How are you? How's your health? 01:34:13.160 --> 01:34:15.116 Hey, Corbin. Uh... 01:34:17.440 --> 01:34:19.954 It's fine. Thanks for asking. 01:34:20.200 --> 01:34:22.919 Must be nerve-wracking living with that condition. 01:34:24.080 --> 01:34:27.231 You wouldn't know it to look at your numbers. 01:34:27.320 --> 01:34:30.392 Two hundred Chinese IPs down in your first four months. 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:35.553 Those are, uh, internal numbers. 01:34:35.640 --> 01:34:39.235 Your colleague, Trevor, comes out of the CIA like you. 01:34:39.360 --> 01:34:43.114 He's been, uh, keeping me informed on your progress. 01:34:44.280 --> 01:34:48.751 (CHUCKLES) It's outstanding work. Heartbeat as well. 01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:52.552 Thank you. Thanks. That means a lot. 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:55.757 Lowell is very pleased. He, uh, sends his regards. 01:34:56.400 --> 01:34:57.628 That's great to hear. 01:34:58.680 --> 01:34:59.954 He, um... 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.718 He doesn't know about your heat map conversations, 01:35:06.800 --> 01:35:09.951 or some of the ideas you've expressed to your colleagues. 01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:12.119 And he's not going to. 01:35:13.200 --> 01:35:14.633 Yeah. Uh... 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:19.473 You know, Heartbeat is proving a tricky project. 01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:21.516 Collating from multiple agencies, 01:35:21.600 --> 01:35:24.068 and knowing where to pull from. 01:35:24.160 --> 01:35:27.357 It has helped to talk it over with colleagues. 01:35:28.880 --> 01:35:30.233 I believe in you, Ed. 01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:35.156 Which is why nothing happened to you after the derog in Geneva. 01:35:36.160 --> 01:35:38.799 And I'm very grateful you've looked out for me. 01:35:38.920 --> 01:35:39.989 Or after you, uh, 01:35:42.280 --> 01:35:45.078 omitted the truth in your last polygraph. 01:35:47.480 --> 01:35:50.040 What was it you were withholding exactly? 01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:51.915 Hmm? 01:35:57.040 --> 01:35:58.439 You remember that day in class, 01:35:58.520 --> 01:36:01.273 you were talking to us about the FISA Court? 01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:06.355 You said that they approved Bush's wiretapping programs. 01:36:07.960 --> 01:36:11.191 Sometimes we're restricted from telling the whole truth. 01:36:13.040 --> 01:36:15.270 Doesn't give us permission to lie. 01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:17.431 Come on, Corbin, 01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:20.557 the Director of National Intelligence just lied to Congress! 01:36:24.160 --> 01:36:25.195 Sorry. 01:36:30.200 --> 01:36:31.713 Look at me. 01:36:37.360 --> 01:36:41.273 Did you access an unauthorized program 01:36:41.360 --> 01:36:43.874 that I did not know about? 01:36:49.800 --> 01:36:51.199 Yes. 01:36:52.680 --> 01:36:53.999 It was, uh... 01:36:55.000 --> 01:36:56.797 It was at Geneva. It was Lindsay. 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:58.154 I was jealous. 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:02.240 And I'm sorry. I never did it again. 01:37:16.240 --> 01:37:17.240 Listen, Ed. 01:37:21.080 --> 01:37:24.675 I know it's been up and down with you and Lindsay since Geneva. 01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:29.672 It's tough to keep any relationship going. Few of us do. 01:37:31.920 --> 01:37:35.151 So, if it'll give you any peace of mind, I can assure you, 01:37:35.240 --> 01:37:39.870 she's not sleeping with that photographer friend of hers. 01:37:40.280 --> 01:37:42.077 If that's what you're thinking. 01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:47.678 I have to go to a Five Eyes conference 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:49.478 in Sydney in a couple of weeks. 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:51.790 I'll stop off in Hawaii on the way back. 01:37:53.560 --> 01:37:54.754 Okay? 01:37:56.440 --> 01:37:59.193 Okay. Thank you. 01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:02.959 I'll see you soon. 01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:17.880 (CELL PHONE RINGING) 01:38:19.120 --> 01:38:20.394 Hey, Dad. 01:38:22.240 --> 01:38:25.073 Good. Did you get the e-mail that I sent you with the photos? 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:27.760 Uh-huh. 01:38:29.400 --> 01:38:31.320 Well, I was hoping that you could send me some... 01:38:34.000 --> 01:38:35.399 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 01:38:40.960 --> 01:38:41.995 What are you doing? 01:39:04.240 --> 01:39:05.240 Sit down. 01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:14.352 Your e-mail is being monitored. 01:39:16.160 --> 01:39:17.195 So? 01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:18.955 No, it's different now. 01:39:19.040 --> 01:39:21.508 It's not passive collection, it's full-take surveillance. 01:39:21.640 --> 01:39:25.474 It's all of your e-mails, calls, texts, social media, everything. 01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:29.997 It's also possible that the house is bugged. 01:39:30.200 --> 01:39:31.428 I'm not sure. 01:39:32.120 --> 01:39:33.235 By who? 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:37.398 By a senior officer at the CIA. 01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:40.994 You in trouble? Is it the Chinese thing? 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:46.429 Look, there's things that I wish I could tell you, 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:50.399 but I can't because you could get very hurt. 01:39:51.000 --> 01:39:53.798 What's keeping you safe is that you don't know anything. 01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:03.950 I'm sorry, I really am. I didn't want any of this for you. 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:10.436 But I know you would think I was doing the right thing. 01:40:15.080 --> 01:40:18.311 So just listen to me for a sec, okay? 01:40:18.400 --> 01:40:21.472 When we go back in the house, everything has to appear normal. 01:40:21.560 --> 01:40:23.676 We're gonna act like nothing has changed, 01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:26.194 but if you do notice something that's weird, 01:40:26.280 --> 01:40:28.111 you need to tell me right away. 01:40:28.240 --> 01:40:31.596 And you're gonna use an encrypted e-mail that I'm setting up for you. 01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:34.035 (EXHALES SHARPLY) Oh, my God, I don't think I can do this. 01:40:34.120 --> 01:40:35.678 Yes, you can. I know you can. 01:40:37.600 --> 01:40:39.158 Do I even have a choice? 01:40:40.200 --> 01:40:41.872 I'm asking you to trust me. 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:46.159 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 01:40:50.480 --> 01:40:51.720 And, Linds, I think it'd be best 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:54.354 if you went back to Maryland for a while. 01:40:55.120 --> 01:40:58.749 Tell your parents that I'm away on a business trip 01:40:58.840 --> 01:41:01.274 and that you're homesick. 01:41:01.480 --> 01:41:03.072 Are you going away? 01:41:03.240 --> 01:41:05.708 Yes. But just for a little while. 01:41:13.160 --> 01:41:14.229 No. 01:41:15.480 --> 01:41:16.480 No, I can't go. 01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:17.993 Please. Just until I get back. 01:41:18.080 --> 01:41:19.195 I can't go. 01:41:21.480 --> 01:41:25.951 You just said that we have to appear like nothing's changed. 01:41:26.160 --> 01:41:29.630 If both of us left at the same time, wouldn't that seem suspicious? 01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:35.194 (SNIFFLES) 01:41:40.160 --> 01:41:41.639 I will do this for you. 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:48.631 (SOBBING) But it is the last time. 01:41:57.200 --> 01:41:58.918 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:16.672 (SIREN WAILING IN DISTANCE) 01:42:21.040 --> 01:42:22.553 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:26.154 Yo! Yo, you hear about Trevor, bro? 01:42:26.240 --> 01:42:27.309 No, what? 01:42:27.400 --> 01:42:29.789 You remember that op to own the Internet in Syria? 01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:31.074 Yeah. Yeah. 01:42:31.160 --> 01:42:33.628 Trevor and his TAO team crashed the core router. 01:42:35.320 --> 01:42:36.799 Bro, the whole country's gone dark. 01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:38.638 SNOWDEN : Jesus Christ. 01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:39.755 TREVOR : Figure it out! 01:42:39.880 --> 01:42:40.915 GABRIEL : Poor bastards. 01:42:43.280 --> 01:42:45.077 Okay, I'm gonna, uh... I gotta get to work. 01:42:45.160 --> 01:42:46.195 Yeah. Yeah, me too. 01:42:47.240 --> 01:42:48.912 So, Ed, how's, uh... 01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:51.159 How's Heartbeat coming? 01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:53.029 It's close. 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:55.909 It's very close. 01:42:56.360 --> 01:42:57.759 TREVOR : Pull it up on this monitor. 01:42:57.840 --> 01:42:59.016 MAN : I'm still trying to access... 01:42:59.040 --> 01:43:00.496 Don't tell me you're involved in this, too? 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:04.308 Well, Trevor fucking roped me into going through their zero-day exploit codes. 01:43:04.400 --> 01:43:06.630 This thing is a fucking mess, man. 01:43:09.400 --> 01:43:11.436 Why did I agree to this? Good luck. 01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:13.869 PATRICK : This is Patrick... 01:43:14.680 --> 01:43:16.352 What you're gonna do is you're gonna... 01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:24.552 I told him, I... Help them. 01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:25.995 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 01:43:34.560 --> 01:43:35.629 (COMPUTER CHIMES) 01:44:38.200 --> 01:44:39.553 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 01:44:51.040 --> 01:44:52.480 TREVOR : Okay. Get back to work, guys. 01:44:52.520 --> 01:44:53.520 No, Patrick, show me. 01:45:38.560 --> 01:45:39.976 TREVOR : Talk about getting hung out to dry. 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:41.718 PATRICK : Yeah. Are we set? 01:45:42.080 --> 01:45:43.080 (KEYBOARD CLACKING) 01:45:43.360 --> 01:45:44.759 Trouble with the Navy? 01:45:45.240 --> 01:45:47.576 TREVOR : One of those idiots ripped some bullshit piece of Israeli code 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:49.976 and jammed it down our payload. Can you fucking believe that? 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:51.069 Script kiddies. 01:45:51.160 --> 01:45:52.616 TREVOR : I know, I know. I should have listened to you. 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:53.993 God damn it. Is this it? 01:45:54.080 --> 01:45:55.354 PATRICK : Here. Yeah, this is it. 01:45:55.440 --> 01:45:58.080 TREVOR : I'm gonna make the goddamn Israelis take the fall for this. 01:45:58.800 --> 01:45:59.949 Come on. 01:46:03.040 --> 01:46:04.917 Got it? I'm not taking the fall for this. 01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:15.669 Patrick. 01:46:19.040 --> 01:46:20.792 MAN : Still working on it, Trev. Hold on. 01:46:21.120 --> 01:46:22.240 MAN : Nothing. Still nothing. 01:46:30.600 --> 01:46:31.635 (CHUCKLES) 01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:34.720 Yeah, but... 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:20.716 You, uh... You headed home already? 01:47:20.800 --> 01:47:24.076 Yeah. I'm not feeling so well. 01:47:24.160 --> 01:47:26.151 Might not be in tomorrow either. 01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:28.439 You know, Trevor's kind of busy, 01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:29.953 maybe you could let him know for me? 01:47:30.040 --> 01:47:32.110 Yeah. Yeah, man. It'd be my pleasure. 01:47:33.840 --> 01:47:35.239 You know, if you're, uh... 01:47:35.320 --> 01:47:37.760 If you're really not feeling well, dude, maybe you should, uh, 01:47:38.360 --> 01:47:40.078 go back to the States and see your doctor. 01:47:40.160 --> 01:47:43.311 I think that, you know, folks would understand that. 01:47:46.080 --> 01:47:47.832 That sounds like a smart thing. 01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:48.920 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 01:47:55.000 --> 01:47:56.399 Take care of yourself. 01:47:57.040 --> 01:47:58.314 Yeah, you too, bro. 01:48:10.560 --> 01:48:12.073 (CUBE CLICKING) 01:48:15.480 --> 01:48:16.913 (INDISTINCT CONVERSATION) 01:48:19.440 --> 01:48:20.475 Hey. Hey. 01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:23.432 You ever play with one of these? 01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:26.154 Yeah, when I was a kid. 01:48:26.240 --> 01:48:28.595 Yeah. You should try it. It's hard. 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:35.000 (SCANNER BEEPS) 01:48:50.120 --> 01:48:51.439 I can't figure this out. 01:48:54.000 --> 01:48:55.115 (SCANNER BEEPS) 01:48:57.840 --> 01:48:59.478 I don't know about this. 01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:01.696 Yeah, you gotta start with the white cross, actually, 01:49:01.720 --> 01:49:03.199 and then you do the corners. Ah. 01:49:03.760 --> 01:49:04.760 Oh, man. 01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:07.877 Look, I love these things. (CHUCKLES) 01:49:07.960 --> 01:49:09.279 Hey, have a good weekend, man. 01:49:09.360 --> 01:49:10.839 You too, buddy. All right. 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:07.794 LAURA : It's live. 01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:14.956 There's a link to the FISA court order. 01:50:21.040 --> 01:50:22.040 (CHUCKLES) 01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:24.829 Well done, Janine. 01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:26.433 I told you she wasn't a pushover. 01:50:26.520 --> 01:50:28.715 Well, it feels so goddamn good to be wrong. 01:50:37.240 --> 01:50:39.696 Breaking news tonight. Reports that through a secret court order, 01:50:39.720 --> 01:50:42.280 the Obama administration is collecting the phone records 01:50:42.360 --> 01:50:44.032 of millions of Verizon customers. 01:50:44.120 --> 01:50:46.376 That's been reported by the Guardian newspaper in the U. K. 01:50:46.400 --> 01:50:47.674 The specific court order shows 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.877 that all the information is going to the National Security Agency. 01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:52.313 (GLEEFUL EXCLAMATION) 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:55.036 How's that for mainstream media, Glenn? 01:50:55.120 --> 01:50:57.793 They can't shut this down now. And we've got four more days of it. 01:50:57.920 --> 01:50:59.990 They have no idea what they're in store for. 01:51:00.080 --> 01:51:01.160 (CHUCKLES) That's fantastic! 01:51:01.240 --> 01:51:04.096 MORGAN:...former Speaker of the House is on the grill tonight and joins me now. 01:51:04.120 --> 01:51:06.475 BLITZER : Another explosive article has just appeared, 01:51:06.560 --> 01:51:07.993 this time in The Washington Post. 01:51:08.080 --> 01:51:10.150 It's breaking news that it reveals 01:51:10.240 --> 01:51:13.630 another broad and secret U. S. government surveillance program. 01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:17.315 The Washington Post and the Guardian in London reporting 01:51:17.440 --> 01:51:18.919 that the NSA and the FBI 01:51:19.000 --> 01:51:22.117 are tapping directly into the central servers 01:51:22.200 --> 01:51:24.509 of nine leading Internet companies, 01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:27.194 including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, 01:51:27.280 --> 01:51:30.192 AOL, Skype, YouTube, and Apple. 01:51:30.280 --> 01:51:32.510 The Post says they're extracting audio, 01:51:32.600 --> 01:51:35.433 video, photographs, e-mails, documents, 01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:36.714 and connection logs 01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:39.109 that enable analysts to track a person 's movements 01:51:39.200 --> 01:51:41.430 and contacts over time. 01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:48.315 OBAMA : In the abstract, you can complain about Big Brother 01:51:48.400 --> 01:51:52.518 and how this is a potential program run amok. 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:54.790 But when you actually look at the details, 01:51:54.880 --> 01:51:56.950 then I think we've struck the right balance. 01:51:57.040 --> 01:52:00.191 FEMALE REPORTER : U.S. President Barack Obama staunchly defends 01:52:00.280 --> 01:52:02.475 U.S. government programs, 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:05.916 insisting that they were conducted with broad safeguards 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:08.275 and to protect against abuse. 01:52:10.160 --> 01:52:12.400 GLENN : He reached the conclusion that what was happening 01:52:12.480 --> 01:52:14.869 inside this really secretive agency 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:17.235 uh, was very threatening and menacing 01:52:17.320 --> 01:52:19.709 to privacy rights, to Internet freedom, 01:52:19.800 --> 01:52:22.598 to basic political liberty, not only in the United States, 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:24.716 but all around the world. 01:52:24.840 --> 01:52:28.515 And he felt it was his duty as a human being to disclose it. 01:52:39.320 --> 01:52:42.551 Uh, my name's Ed Snowden. I'm 29 years old. 01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:44.073 I work for Booz Allen Hamilton 01:52:44.160 --> 01:52:47.675 as an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii. 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:50.353 (SPEAKING MANDARIN) 01:52:50.440 --> 01:52:52.351 (SPEAKING GERMAN) 01:52:52.640 --> 01:52:54.198 (SPEAKING ITALIAN) 01:52:54.320 --> 01:52:55.878 (SPEAKING JAPANESE) 01:52:56.160 --> 01:52:57.752 (SPEAKING RUSSIAN) 01:52:58.240 --> 01:53:00.470 The identity of the man who sent the Obama... 01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:04.758 You can't come forward against the most powerful intelligence agencies 01:53:04.880 --> 01:53:07.440 in the world without expecting to have some risk. 01:53:07.520 --> 01:53:09.590 They're just such powerful adversaries. 01:53:09.720 --> 01:53:12.598 So no one can meaningfully oppose them. 01:53:12.720 --> 01:53:13.789 He did it. 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:16.713 You know, if they want to get you, they will get you, in time. 01:53:16.800 --> 01:53:17.800 The kid did it! 01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:19.816 SNOWDEN : And it's just gonna get worse for the next generation, 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:21.193 as they extend the capabilities 01:53:21.280 --> 01:53:24.795 of this sort of architecture of oppression. 01:53:24.880 --> 01:53:29.192 And you realize that you might be willing to accept any risk, 01:53:29.320 --> 01:53:33.029 as long as the public is able to make their own decision 01:53:33.160 --> 01:53:34.752 about how this is applied. 01:53:35.000 --> 01:53:37.719 Because even if you haven 't done anything wrong, 01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:39.756 you're being watched and recorded. 01:53:39.840 --> 01:53:40.989 (TELEPHONE RINGING) 01:53:41.080 --> 01:53:44.231 Look, I had access to the entire intelligence community. 01:53:44.320 --> 01:53:47.551 So, if I had wanted to harm the U. S., 01:53:47.640 --> 01:53:51.872 you could shut down the entire surveillance system in an afternoon. 01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:55.236 But that was never my intention. 01:53:55.320 --> 01:53:58.392 And I think anybody that's making that argument, 01:53:58.480 --> 01:54:02.837 they have to think, if they were in my position, 01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:06.674 living in Hawaii, in paradise, and making a ton of money, 01:54:06.760 --> 01:54:11.629 what would it take to make you leave everything behind? 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:17.356 The fear that I think I have most in regards to the outcome 01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:20.193 for America of these disclosures 01:54:20.280 --> 01:54:22.475 is that nothing will change. 01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:26.348 In the coming months and the coming years, it'll just get worse. 01:54:26.440 --> 01:54:29.000 And then eventually, at some point, 01:54:29.080 --> 01:54:33.153 some new leader will be elected 01:54:33.240 --> 01:54:37.119 who flips the switch, 01:54:37.200 --> 01:54:44.038 and the people won't be able to do anything, by that point, to oppose it. 01:54:44.920 --> 01:54:47.070 And it'll be turnkey tyranny. 01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:50.200 GLENN : How you holding up? 01:54:51.120 --> 01:54:53.270 Yeah, I'll be fine. 01:54:54.120 --> 01:54:55.696 It's you guys that have to start watching out 01:54:55.720 --> 01:54:57.199 for yourselves now. 01:54:58.360 --> 01:55:00.874 You know, if you have any reason to believe 01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:05.556 that you're about to be raided or intercepted or breached in any way, 01:55:05.640 --> 01:55:10.191 you format and destroy all the data immediately. 01:55:10.280 --> 01:55:13.238 You have the encrypted backups. 01:55:14.120 --> 01:55:15.439 And now, I... 01:55:18.440 --> 01:55:21.352 I no longer have any access to these files myself. 01:55:21.440 --> 01:55:23.078 You guys have them all. 01:55:25.120 --> 01:55:26.189 Uh... 01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:29.478 Keep the focus on the stories, that's all that matters. 01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:33.158 If you'll excuse me, it's... 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:38.070 I think we should all get some rest. We can use it. 01:55:38.360 --> 01:55:41.432 Yeah. I should probably lay down on a soft bed 01:55:41.520 --> 01:55:43.556 while I still have one available, right? 01:55:45.200 --> 01:55:47.077 You rest well. Thank you. 01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:50.713 See you tomorrow. Good night. 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:55.680 (DOOR OPENS) 01:55:57.000 --> 01:55:58.000 (DOOR CLOSES) 01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:20.278 (WAVES CRASHING) 01:56:21.160 --> 01:56:23.355 Can you at least tell me where you're going? 01:56:24.760 --> 01:56:26.557 (BIRDS CHIRPING) 01:56:37.120 --> 01:56:38.394 (CHUCKLES) 01:56:48.240 --> 01:56:49.798 SNOWDEN : Listen, I know that I'm... 01:57:03.600 --> 01:57:04.794 (ELEVATOR BELL DINGS) 01:57:05.480 --> 01:57:07.118 (INDISTINCT CHATTER) 01:57:08.160 --> 01:57:09.752 Ewen, I'm on the second floor. 01:57:11.280 --> 01:57:12.599 I don't see Tibbo. 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:17.235 No. No, no, wait. Okay. I think I see him. 01:57:18.120 --> 01:57:19.235 Shit! 01:57:19.880 --> 01:57:22.269 There's press swarming all over the hotel. 01:57:22.360 --> 01:57:24.032 Yeah, I don't know. I'll figure it out. 01:57:24.120 --> 01:57:26.160 I'll stop them with a press conference or something. 01:57:26.280 --> 01:57:30.193 Hey, I'm Glenn. Look, we really appreciate this. 01:57:30.280 --> 01:57:32.416 We understand you're one of the best lawyers in Hong Kong. 01:57:32.440 --> 01:57:33.475 TIBBO :We'll do our best. 01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:36.518 We're gonna take him to the UN first, then I prefer not to reveal. 01:57:36.600 --> 01:57:37.600 GLENN : I understand. 01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:39.915 Shit. They spotted me. You guys get going. 01:57:40.960 --> 01:57:42.837 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:45.296 Okay, I will take your questions in an orderly fashion. 01:57:45.320 --> 01:57:46.456 Where is Snowden? Do you know where he is? 01:57:46.480 --> 01:57:48.136 FEMALE REPORTER : Come on, please let us know! 01:57:48.160 --> 01:57:49.229 Did you get them? 01:57:49.320 --> 01:57:50.912 Yeah, this is the best I could do. 01:57:51.040 --> 01:57:53.600 You're meeting Tibbo in five minutes, 01:57:53.680 --> 01:57:56.194 on the skybridge opposite the large mall. 01:57:59.960 --> 01:58:04.192 I've met a lot of astonishing people in my life, but you... 01:58:04.280 --> 01:58:05.508 (BOTH CHUCKLE) 01:58:06.400 --> 01:58:08.675 Okay, laddie. Off you go. 01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:11.119 I won't let you down. 01:58:13.280 --> 01:58:15.794 You'd make a shitty journalist without a camera. 01:58:16.680 --> 01:58:18.432 Are you sure? Yeah. 01:58:18.880 --> 01:58:21.792 Okay. That's a great idea. 01:58:23.680 --> 01:58:24.680 Thanks. 01:58:27.040 --> 01:58:29.156 Oh! You don't want to leave your luck behind. 01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:30.720 SNOWDEN : Oh. 01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:32.837 I think I'd like you to have that. 01:58:35.040 --> 01:58:37.270 Thanks for everything. 01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:39.029 Thank you. 01:58:57.600 --> 01:58:59.158 (REPORTERS CLAMORING) 01:59:02.720 --> 01:59:04.200 (WHISPERS) I have a van on the street. 01:59:09.240 --> 01:59:12.391 FEMALE REPORTER : NSA leaker Edward Snowden has now been charged formally 01:59:12.480 --> 01:59:17.235 with espionage, theft, and conversion of government property. 01:59:17.360 --> 01:59:19.176 (CAMERA SH UTTER CLICKING) U. S. officials have asked Hong Kong 01:59:19.200 --> 01:59:20.713 to detain the former contractor 01:59:20.840 --> 01:59:22.637 on a provisional arrest warrant. 01:59:22.720 --> 01:59:24.836 Snowden has been in Hong Kong since May... 01:59:24.920 --> 01:59:28.117 MALE REPORTER 1 : ...remember, that was back reportedly on May 20th. 01:59:28.760 --> 01:59:31.376 MALE REPORTER 1 :... Snowden has checked out of the luxury hotel in Hong Kong, 01:59:31.400 --> 01:59:32.628 where he had been holed up. 01:59:35.800 --> 01:59:36.896 TIBBO :You might turn your eyes away. 01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:38.416 FEMALE REPORTER : ...not likely take action against him 01:59:38.440 --> 01:59:39.496 without an arrest warrant from the U. S. 01:59:39.520 --> 01:59:42.216 MALE REPORTER 2 : The Justice Department had to go to Interpol so that Snowden, 01:59:42.240 --> 01:59:44.496 if he tried to cross a border, he could be intercepted and detained. 01:59:44.520 --> 01:59:45.976 MALE REPORTER 3 : Snowden is still in hiding. 01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:47.000 So again... 01:59:47.080 --> 01:59:48.816 MALE REPORTER 4 : But the Americans are now closing in. 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:50.990 They almost certainly know where he is, 01:59:51.120 --> 01:59:53.714 they just need Hong Kong's approval to get him. 01:59:53.800 --> 01:59:55.576 FEMALE REPORTER : The Hong Kong government does have 01:59:55.600 --> 01:59:57.636 an extradition agreement with Washington. 01:59:57.720 --> 01:59:58.840 But the ultimate decision... 01:59:58.960 --> 02:00:02.350 FEMALE REPORTER 2 : So the big question here is, where is he now? 02:00:02.440 --> 02:00:03.589 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 02:00:04.960 --> 02:00:08.157 Thank you. This is Ed. Ed, Mayana. 02:00:08.240 --> 02:00:09.912 Hi, Ed. Welcome. Thank you. 02:00:10.320 --> 02:00:11.878 (GREETING IN TAMIL) SNOWDEN : Thank you. 02:00:12.800 --> 02:00:14.711 TIBBO :These are good people. They won't talk. 02:00:15.360 --> 02:00:18.158 I've been handling their cases for years. They're like you. 02:00:18.240 --> 02:00:19.434 That's so nice. 02:00:19.760 --> 02:00:21.637 They're stateless. Yeah. 02:00:22.120 --> 02:00:25.556 TIBBO :So we're waiting on the UN application for refugee status. 02:00:25.640 --> 02:00:26.755 Yeah. 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:29.673 Just in case you're arrested, this is where you can call me. 02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:30.795 Yeah. 02:00:32.960 --> 02:00:34.109 Good. 02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:36.119 Thank you so much. 02:00:40.320 --> 02:00:44.996 You may not feel it, Ed, but you're not alone. 02:00:45.880 --> 02:00:46.949 Thank you. 02:00:49.520 --> 02:00:51.696 FEMALE REPORTER : ...his longtime girlfriend, Lindsay Mills, 02:00:51.720 --> 02:00:52.914 an amateur photographer, 02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:54.399 has not been heard from. 02:00:54.480 --> 02:00:56.391 It's believed she's in seclusion 02:00:56.480 --> 02:00:57.993 in her parents' home in Maryland, 02:00:58.080 --> 02:00:59.911 and has been questioned by the FBI 02:01:00.000 --> 02:01:01.911 and remains under investigation. 02:01:03.840 --> 02:01:07.594 MALE REPORTER : Ten days have now gone by, as the world looks for Edward Snowden. 02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:11.070 Rumors have surfaced that a rich supporter is hiding Snowden 02:01:11.200 --> 02:01:14.510 somewhere in the Hong Kong hills in a private mansion. 02:01:40.080 --> 02:01:42.275 (WOMAN SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY ON PA) 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:48.915 MALE REPORTER 1 : It is now confirmed that Edward Snowden 02:01:49.000 --> 02:01:51.309 has boarded a flight from Hong Kong to Moscow. 02:01:51.400 --> 02:01:53.336 FEMALE REPORTER : The State Department is very disappointed 02:01:53.360 --> 02:01:54.952 in the authorities in Hong Kong 02:01:55.040 --> 02:01:56.678 for letting Snowden go. 02:01:56.760 --> 02:01:59.376 MALE REPORTER 2 : He was accompanied by a representative from WikiLeaks. 02:01:59.400 --> 02:02:02.551 MALE REPORTER 3 : Snowden is trying to make his way from Russia to Cuba, 02:02:02.640 --> 02:02:04.835 and then to Ecuador for political asylum. 02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:07.216 FEMALE REPORTER 2 : Moscow airport officials say he won't be permitted 02:02:07.240 --> 02:02:08.639 to make his connective flight 02:02:08.720 --> 02:02:11.154 because the U. S. government has revoked his passport. 02:02:11.240 --> 02:02:13.959 MALE REPORTER 4 : The United States Secretary of State, John Kerry, 02:02:14.040 --> 02:02:17.919 outraged that Russia is refusing to arrest the American fugitive. 02:02:18.000 --> 02:02:22.152 MALE REPORTER 5 : Now a man without a country stranded inside the Moscow airport. 02:02:22.240 --> 02:02:24.913 No, I'm not gonna be scrambling jets, uh, 02:02:25.000 --> 02:02:29.596 to get a 29-year-old hacker. 02:02:31.160 --> 02:02:32.696 FEMALE REPORTER 3 : The President of Bolivia's plane 02:02:32.720 --> 02:02:34.995 was forced down in Austria airspace today 02:02:35.080 --> 02:02:39.358 following U. S. suspicions that Snowden may have been on board. 02:02:39.440 --> 02:02:41.795 MALE REPORTER 6 : After 39 days in the airport hotel, 02:02:41.880 --> 02:02:44.314 he's left with his Russian lawyer and a legal advisor 02:02:44.400 --> 02:02:46.516 from WikiLeaks, Sarah Harrison. 02:02:47.400 --> 02:02:50.198 MALE REPORTER 7 : He can now enjoy all of the sweet, sweet liberty 02:02:50.280 --> 02:02:53.431 allowed under the regime of President Vladimir Putin. 02:02:53.520 --> 02:02:56.717 TRUMP : There is still a thing called execution. 02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:58.176 Mr. Snowden actually deserves asylum 02:02:58.200 --> 02:02:59.474 and protection around the globe. 02:02:59.600 --> 02:03:02.717 But he does have asylum in Russia at least. 02:03:02.800 --> 02:03:04.791 He can engage in the debate he started. 02:03:05.440 --> 02:03:06.714 And the world now has an example 02:03:06.800 --> 02:03:08.040 that you can do the right thing, 02:03:08.120 --> 02:03:11.874 and you don't have to end up in a cage, one room, a prison. 02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:17.157 MALE REPORTER : After more than a year in the country under temporary asylum, 02:03:17.240 --> 02:03:21.631 Edward Snowden has received a three-year residency permit in Russia. 02:03:30.000 --> 02:03:33.037 MALE MODERATOR : And now, here live from Moscow, 02:03:33.320 --> 02:03:34.912 Edward Snowden. (APPLAUSE) 02:03:36.280 --> 02:03:38.157 Hi, Ed. How you doing? 02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:44.993 SNOWDEN : (ON SPEAKERS) Thank you. 02:03:45.640 --> 02:03:47.995 Uh, forgive me if I get my bearings a little bit here. 02:03:48.080 --> 02:03:50.548 People always said I was kind of a robot. 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:51.789 (AUDIENCE LAUGHS) 02:03:52.040 --> 02:03:54.554 MODERATOR : How is it that you came to be in Russia? 02:03:55.160 --> 02:03:56.912 Well, I never intended to come here. 02:03:57.000 --> 02:04:00.913 You know, my passport was revoked en route to Latin America. 02:04:01.000 --> 02:04:03.639 So when people say, "Why are you in Russia?" 02:04:03.720 --> 02:04:06.598 I say, "Ask the State Department." 02:04:07.520 --> 02:04:11.035 Does that mean you're willing to go back and face trial? 02:04:11.720 --> 02:04:15.633 Absolutely, if it was a fair and public trial. 02:04:16.280 --> 02:04:19.033 Unfortunately, that's not what would happen right now, 02:04:19.120 --> 02:04:23.193 as long as the Espionage Act is being used against whistleblowers. 02:04:24.560 --> 02:04:26.516 MODERATOR : Do you still think it was worth it? 02:04:26.600 --> 02:04:27.635 Yes, I do. 02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:31.633 Without the information to start a public debate, 02:04:31.720 --> 02:04:33.119 we're lost. You know... 02:04:33.720 --> 02:04:37.269 The people being able to question our government 02:04:37.360 --> 02:04:39.954 and hold it accountable, 02:04:40.040 --> 02:04:44.955 that's the principle that the United States of America was founded on. 02:04:45.080 --> 02:04:48.789 So if we want to protect our national security, 02:04:48.880 --> 02:04:51.314 we should be protecting that principle. 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:55.235 MODERATOR : What if your argument falls on deaf ears? 02:04:55.320 --> 02:04:57.629 What if our leaders don't act? 02:04:58.440 --> 02:05:01.671 I believe that, if nothing changes, 02:05:02.680 --> 02:05:07.231 more and more people all over the world will come forward. 02:05:07.920 --> 02:05:12.914 Whistleblowers and journalists, but also regular citizens. 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:19.596 And when those in power try to hide by classifying everything, 02:05:20.360 --> 02:05:23.193 we will call them out on it. 02:05:23.720 --> 02:05:29.477 And when they try to scare us into sacrificing our basic human rights, 02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:31.835 we won't be intimidated, 02:05:31.960 --> 02:05:36.590 and we won't give up, and we will not be silenced. 02:05:38.240 --> 02:05:40.071 You're alone in a foreign country, 02:05:40.160 --> 02:05:43.391 you'll be extradited if you try to leave. 02:05:43.480 --> 02:05:45.152 That must be hard. 02:05:57.680 --> 02:06:01.229 When I left Hawaii, I lost everything. 02:06:04.880 --> 02:06:06.836 And I had a stable life. 02:06:07.200 --> 02:06:08.599 (CHUCKLES) 02:06:09.880 --> 02:06:11.996 A stable love. 02:06:12.080 --> 02:06:13.991 Family. Future. 02:06:15.800 --> 02:06:17.631 And I lost that life, 02:06:20.600 --> 02:06:22.636 but I've gained a new one, 02:06:25.120 --> 02:06:26.951 and I'm incredibly fortunate. 02:06:29.400 --> 02:06:30.719 And I think 02:06:32.720 --> 02:06:34.160 the greatest freedom that I've gained 02:06:34.240 --> 02:06:37.835 is the fact that I no longer have to worry about what happens tomorrow, 02:06:37.920 --> 02:06:40.309 because I'm happy with what I've done today. 02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:48.753 Live from the Internet, Edward Snowden! 02:06:48.840 --> 02:06:50.512 (APPLAUSE) 02:06:52.080 --> 02:06:53.991 (CHEERING AND WHISTLING) 02:08:06.760 --> 02:08:08.456 MALE REPORTER : Has your mindset changed about him? 02:08:08.480 --> 02:08:12.553 Is he now more whistleblower than he is a, uh, hacker? 02:08:49.960 --> 02:08:51.976 MALE REPORTER : What is going to happen to Edward Snowden? 02:08:52.000 --> 02:08:54.719 He's going to die in Moscow. He's not coming home. 02:09:32.800 --> 02:09:34.995 Edward Snowden, is he a traitor or a hero? 02:09:35.120 --> 02:09:38.351 HILLARY CLINTON : He stole very important information. 02:09:56.960 --> 02:09:58.336 MALE REPORTER : We have breaking news tonight... 02:09:58.360 --> 02:09:59.360 Among the reforms, 02:09:59.440 --> 02:10:02.113 work with Congress to change how the NSA collects phone records. 02:10:03.320 --> 02:10:05.754 Mandate more transparency by the secret court 02:10:05.840 --> 02:10:07.910 that regularly approves the surveillance. 02:10:09.840 --> 02:10:11.796 MAN : Well, is it a victory for Edward Snowden? 02:10:11.880 --> 02:10:13.720 That's gonna depend on the eye of the beholder. 02:10:15.520 --> 02:10:17.936 LINCOLN CHAFFEE : The American government was acting illegally. 02:10:17.960 --> 02:10:21.200 HILLARY CLINTON : I don't think he should be brought home without facing the music. 02:10:22.960 --> 02:10:24.757 SANDERS : Snowden played a very important role 02:10:24.840 --> 02:10:26.990 in educating the American people 02:10:27.080 --> 02:10:31.471 to the degree in which our civil liberties and our constitutional rights 02:10:31.560 --> 02:10:32.709 are being undermined. 02:10:32.733 --> 02:10:52.733 Telegram Channel and Instagram Page .:: @bollbolljan_com ::.