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<i>I wanna call it a nightmare.</i>

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<i>It was</i>

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<i>absolutely wrong from the beginning.</i>

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<i>I personally think
it was an experiment for him,</i>

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<i>some sick game.</i>

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<i>I think
about the "why" every single day.</i>

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<i>Hi, Jacoba, this is Dr. Webber calling.</i>

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<i>I have your lab results in.</i>

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<i>So give me a call when you have a chance,
and we can go over those.</i>

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<i>Thank you. Bye.</i>

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<i>Hi, this message is for Jacoba Ballard.
This is Jane over at Dr. Chan's office.</i>

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<i>Give us a callback. We want
to reschedule you for an appointment.</i>

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<i>Thanks so much.</i>

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Growing up, I felt different.

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I'm this blonde-haired, blue-eyed person

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in a family with dark hair

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and, like, olive skin and dark eyes.

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So, I kept asking my mom

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if I was adopted.

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I kept, like, reassuring my parents,

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and I'm like, "It's fine if I am,
you can tell me. It'll be okay."

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Finally, my mom told me the truth.

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So, I've known since the age of ten

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that I was from donor sperm.

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I believe it was 1979,

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and... I wanted a child so bad,

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but my husband could not have children.

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So I went to see Dr. Cline

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for artificial insemination.

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I was young.

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I think, like, 20, 21.

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He was professional.

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Uh, we didn't really say a lot.

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I mean, he just told us
that he would match us with a donor

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that looked like my husband.

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He was gonna use medical students,

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their sperm.

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And so, when I start ovulating,

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I went in, they did the procedure...

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and, um, I went home, and I was pregnant.

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She's my everything.

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I love that child more than life itself.

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I always had
this longing for siblings.

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I just wanted somebody that related to me,

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that's, you know, my brother or sister,

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and I just wanted to have that bond.

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When I was around the age of 18,

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you know, around, like, 1999,

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there wasn't commercial DNA testing.

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All I knew
was my mom went to Dr. Donald Cline,

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and he was the go-to doctor.

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My mom was told that

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they used a medical resident
for donor sperm,

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and they never used
the medical resident or the donor,

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say, more than three times.

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So, since there was me,

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I figured that I might have
one or two half-siblings.

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So, I looked him up,
and I called him at his office.

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He actually answered the phone.

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I wanted to know if he had a donor number

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or my mom's medical records

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to where I could have
some kind of identifying information.

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He was very

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straightforward, matter-of-fact,

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um, no empathy.

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But I remember asking him,

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like, telling him
I wanted to find half-siblings,

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and he said that
I can't ever know that information.

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My mother's records have been destroyed.

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He wished me good luck,
and that was it.

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I just went on with life and, you know,

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married, raised my children,
and hoped that someday maybe

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I would find a sibling or two.

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Watching our friends' children
growing up around us

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left us feeling isolated and desperate.

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But as we found out, we were not alone.

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One out of five couples
living in the United States

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experience infertility problems.

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<i>The physicians and staff
at Indianapolis Infertility</i>

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<i>can help you understand your particular
infertility problem more clearly.</i>

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<i>Both Dr. Donald Cline
and Dr. Robert Colver</i>

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<i>are specialists
in the field of infertility</i>

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<i>and have achieved excellent results</i>

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<i>in diagnosing and treating
thousands of infertile couples.</i>

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Dr. Cline was the best-known
infertility doctor in Indianapolis.

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And I started working for him

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in '81 to '94.

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I worked 13 years.

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I was partnered with Dr. Cline
from 1987 to 1991, and I have to say,

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my career wouldn't be
what it has been over the last 35 years

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if it hadn't been for Don Cline. So...

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You know, I have a very special place
in my heart for that man.

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Before '85, for an insemination

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or for a donor insemination,

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fresh sperm was used.

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And back then,
you didn't have, like today,

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you go on a website, 300 guys show up.

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We had a notebook

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so they could pick
from what donor criteria they wanted.

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The hospital was...
It's just right across the street.

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And I actually went to the hospital
and met some of the donors

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because they were residents,
and I knew 'em.

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And they would pass me the specimen,

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and I would take it back to the office.

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It has to be kept warm, body temperature.

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And so I transported the sample in my bra,

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so the sperm was still viable
by the time I got it over at the office.

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It was a great field.
It was really interesting.

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We were putting tubes back together
so people... women could get pregnant.

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And he had
a terrific success rate at that.

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We'd do laser surgery on tubes,

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and that was a new thing
that Don did that other doctors didn't do.

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For these couples, you have to have them

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really think through this,
talk through this, pray about it.

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Really feel like you thought through
this whole thing, because

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once you do that donor insemination

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and they get pregnant,
that's their baby. Forever.

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It was always very emotional

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when one of your girlfriends
would call you and say she was pregnant

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because there were several times
that I'd get off the phone,

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and I'd just cry
because I wanted a child so bad.

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My husband and I had gone
to various fertility doctors

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trying to find... <i>my </i>issue.

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It was hard on me and my husband.

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But I thought, "Okay. I've finally found
a doctor that might be able to help us

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because he was so well-known."

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I was about 27.

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I, uh... My husband and I
talked about having our own children.

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My husband got tested,
and he was infertile.

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I was told, "The only person
who's doing live sperm donor insemination

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is Dr. Don Cline."

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"He's the best of the best, so go to him."

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By that point,
it'd been two and a half years

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of having my period
when I wanted to really conceive,

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taking my temperature, and...
for every month and every day.

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So it was the first time I felt...
It was hopeful.

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I carried my husband's sperm
in a little container.

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Well, we didn't have much time
because you had to have it there,

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I think, within an hour.

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And then there was this room

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that I would go into
for the artificial insemination,

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right then with the sperm,

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with some kind of long, like, um...

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Well, it looked like a needle-type thing,
but that was all I remember.

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He'd walk me back to the exam room,

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I'm lying down,
and my knees are up in the air.

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He said, "Okay. I'm gonna, uh,
put this... this specimen in you."

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So I wait on the table
for about 20 minutes.

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I was thinking actually positive thoughts.

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I was thinking,

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"Wow. I might be able to have a child."

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When the doctor's office called me

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and told me I was pregnant,

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I... I couldn't believe it.

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We were just so happy
when I had her.

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I even took Julie back into the office
and then showed her off to Dr. Cline.

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I thought I had altitude sickness.

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So I laid off a little bit of skiing,

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and ate more crackers, and drank some tea,

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and, um, never thinking I was pregnant.

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I thought I was just late.

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I was ecstatic.

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I thought it was a gift at the time.

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In 2014, you see 23andMe

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on, like, every other commercial on TV.

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I was 35,

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and I told my husband
I was gonna take a DNA test

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because I figured,
at least, I had one or two siblings.

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I felt like it was kind of a bonus
if I did find the donor,

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but that wasn't, like, my goal.

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My goal was to find a sibling.

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The fall of 2014,

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I received my results.

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I remember that day vividly.

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It came back that I was related to

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seven siblings.

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It was actually immediate excitement, um,

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with concern.

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Finding out
that I had siblings was amazing,

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but there's, you know, eight of us.

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What... what's going on here?

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Because my mom was told

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that they never used a donor
more than three times.

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Three times was the ideal.

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We didn't want a large population

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with all the same father.

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There's the concern for consanguinity,

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uh, having too many people
in a certain geographic area

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that could potentially be your brother
or your sister, and you didn't know it.

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Because you could potentially
have a brother and sister marrying.

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Hold up.

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This doesn't make sense.

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Obviously, you used someone's sperm
more than three times.

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And that's when we started
to do our own investigating.

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Every weekend, we would call each other,

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or we would plug names into Ancestry
and work on a family tree.

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We joked one day, trying to figure it out,

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and we're like, "Wouldn't it be crazy
if it was the doctor?"

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But we disregarded it, and we're like,

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"Probably not, but we'll go through
this journey together."

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"We'll help each other find
who our biological father is."

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We were able to just focus
on our paternal matches,

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and we all matched a lady named Sylvia,

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who was our second cousin,

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and she was on 23andMe.

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So, we had messaged her.

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I asked her what surnames
was in her family tree,

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and she gave us a whole list of names.

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One of the names
that popped up was Swinford.

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Swinford is
Donald Cline's mother's maiden name.

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I said, "By any chance,

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do you have
the name Cline in your family?"

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She said, "Oh yes,
I completely forgot. My cousin Don."

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"He's a doctor."

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Right then, my stomach dropped,

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and I felt sick because she just confirmed

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what I think we probably already knew,
but we were hoping wasn't true.

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Dr. Donald Cline

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could be our biological father.

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I was in shock.

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There were so many emotions.

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So many questions.

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He lied about a donor being used.

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Why did he do it?

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And how long did he do it?

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And how many siblings do we have?

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I honestly didn't know who to go to.

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I googled, like, "Where do you make
a complaint against a doctor?"

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That, in turn,
led to me filing a complaint

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with the Attorney General's office
for Indiana.

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So, then I received a form back
from the Attorney General's office

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that was like,
their generic messaging like,

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"Hi. We've received your complaint,
and it's gonna be investigated further,

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and someone will be in touch."

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We waited and waited.
Nobody was returning my calls.

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No questioning, nothing
from the Attorney General's office.

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I wanted answers.

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So I reached out
to every news outlet, big and small,

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and nobody would pick up the story.

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...and I'm Angela Ganote.

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Yeah. We're starting off
on a chilly start today,

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but it's gonna warm up and warm up fast.

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I was watching TV one day,

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- and I was like...
- ..."Her!"

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"I forgot to send it to her."

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In February of 2015,
I logged onto Facebook,

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and I had a message from Jacoba.

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The message was in-depth,

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saying that she believed
a doctor in Indianapolis

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had inseminated multiple women
with his own sperm.

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It was shocking,
but it was also backed by proof.

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Before Jacoba came to me,

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she had reached out
to Attorney General of our state,

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the Attorney General of the United States.

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She had reached out
to national news organizations,

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and she had gotten no response.

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And I thought,
"Why is no one listening, or at least

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finding the truth?"

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I walked into our news director's office,

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and I said,
"You guys are not gonna believe this."

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I reached out to Dr. Cline
in the very beginning.

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He told me that he was not the father.

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He told me that he only used sperm
from a doctor in training,

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that there is no way possible

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that the siblings had more
than three brothers or sisters.

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I asked if he would like
to see the DNA evidence.

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I asked him if he would like
to provide his own DNA

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so that he could help them.

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"If you're not the father,
have a DNA test and prove to them."

00:19:43.765 --> 00:19:45.142
And he wouldn't.

00:19:47.477 --> 00:19:50.439
So when we
first aired the first story,

00:19:51.106 --> 00:19:54.651
I couldn't use his name,
and that was, um, hard for me.

00:19:55.527 --> 00:19:59.448
Sisters, born here in Indiana,
uncover a family secret.

00:19:59.531 --> 00:20:02.075
Their dad is not their biological father.

00:20:02.159 --> 00:20:03.577
They are donor children,

00:20:03.660 --> 00:20:07.164
the product of an anonymous man
who donated his sperm.

00:20:08.790 --> 00:20:11.835
Since we didn't have
Donald Cline's DNA,

00:20:12.336 --> 00:20:13.921
we couldn't really move forward

00:20:14.004 --> 00:20:17.758
until we had him take a DNA test

00:20:17.841 --> 00:20:21.845
to prove that
he was our biological father.

00:20:22.471 --> 00:20:26.892
Like, we knew it in our gut,
but we didn't have anybody at the state

00:20:26.975 --> 00:20:28.685
that would get back with us, and

00:20:29.686 --> 00:20:33.232
they weren't in any hurry
to get a DNA sample from him.

00:20:35.943 --> 00:20:40.197
So, one of my half-siblings

00:20:40.280 --> 00:20:43.116
messaged all
of Cline's children and grandchildren

00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:45.369
that were over the age of 18.

00:20:45.452 --> 00:20:46.745
Basically said,

00:20:47.788 --> 00:20:50.374
"Our mothers went through
infertility treatment."

00:20:52.459 --> 00:20:55.671
"Did somebody
in your family donate sperm?"

00:21:02.010 --> 00:21:05.472
It was probably
a week or two later,

00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.559
Cline's son messaged me.

00:21:11.520 --> 00:21:14.022
So, I met with Doug and Donna,

00:21:14.648 --> 00:21:17.776
which are two of Cline's children,
with his wife, Audrey.

00:21:20.195 --> 00:21:22.864
I chose to do it at my church

00:21:22.948 --> 00:21:25.200
because I felt more comfortable.

00:21:26.285 --> 00:21:28.245
I don't know these people,

00:21:28.328 --> 00:21:31.915
and these are some big accusations.

00:21:33.250 --> 00:21:35.252
They said they had talked to their dad,

00:21:35.836 --> 00:21:41.842
and he did admit
that he was our biological father.

00:21:43.010 --> 00:21:49.057
But Doug said that the only time
that Cline used his sperm

00:21:49.141 --> 00:21:51.435
was when he didn't have access to a donor,

00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:55.022
and as far as siblings go,

00:21:55.897 --> 00:21:58.358
there was absolutely no more than ten.

00:22:13.874 --> 00:22:17.252
I had seen
the news pop on one night...

00:22:18.545 --> 00:22:21.298
<i>...they are donor children
searching for answers...</i>

00:22:21.381 --> 00:22:24.634
...and I saw Jacoba on TV,

00:22:24.718 --> 00:22:29.389
and my husband thought
that we looked a lot alike.

00:22:30.182 --> 00:22:32.059
My husband's exact words were,

00:22:32.142 --> 00:22:34.269
"I don't feel like
this is going to end well,

00:22:34.353 --> 00:22:36.188
and I want you to be aware of that."

00:22:38.315 --> 00:22:40.484
So I talked to my mom.

00:22:41.943 --> 00:22:43.862
My daughter called me and said,

00:22:43.945 --> 00:22:47.282
"Should I get tested?" And I said, "No."

00:22:47.366 --> 00:22:49.284
'Cause I, at that point in time,

00:22:49.368 --> 00:22:51.870
I thought it was
my husband's sperm that he had used.

00:22:51.953 --> 00:22:53.997
She said,

00:22:54.081 --> 00:22:56.416
"You know, honey.
This doesn't apply to you."

00:22:56.500 --> 00:22:59.961
"This doesn't pertain to you at all.
I know you're your dad and I's."

00:23:00.045 --> 00:23:03.507
Um, but something in my gut,
I just couldn't let it go.

00:23:05.258 --> 00:23:08.637
So I notified Jacoba via Facebook.

00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:12.599
She wasn't really sure
if this would pertain to me at all,

00:23:12.682 --> 00:23:16.728
'cause I was supposed to have been
from my father and not a donor.

00:23:16.812 --> 00:23:19.523
So she said the best way
to do it is just take a test.

00:23:19.606 --> 00:23:20.649
And once I took that test,

00:23:20.732 --> 00:23:23.110
if we were related,
her name would show up.

00:23:33.829 --> 00:23:35.956
Hardest thing I've ever had to go through.

00:23:41.336 --> 00:23:44.172
Go back to everything
that you've known about yourself.

00:23:46.383 --> 00:23:50.095
It just completely
washes away your identity.

00:23:52.681 --> 00:23:55.350
And you really have no idea
who you are anymore.

00:23:58.311 --> 00:23:59.855
We both cried on the phone,

00:24:01.022 --> 00:24:03.817
and then I had to...

00:24:05.986 --> 00:24:08.071
...figure out a way
I was gonna tell my husband

00:24:08.155 --> 00:24:11.783
'cause I knew
that it was gonna devastate him.

00:24:11.867 --> 00:24:15.412
I said, "Remember
when we went to Dr. Cline?"

00:24:15.912 --> 00:24:19.583
And I said, "Unfortunately, um,

00:24:19.666 --> 00:24:23.503
Dr. Cline didn't use <i>your</i> sperm.
He used his own."

00:24:24.212 --> 00:24:25.212
"So...

00:24:27.007 --> 00:24:30.135
we're just now finding out
that Julie is not yours."

00:24:31.261 --> 00:24:32.929
My husband started crying.

00:24:33.763 --> 00:24:38.310
And he said that,
and I'll never forget these words.

00:24:38.393 --> 00:24:41.855
He says,
"He's taken everything away from me."

00:24:43.607 --> 00:24:44.608
And he did.

00:24:45.942 --> 00:24:46.943
It's hard.

00:24:47.027 --> 00:24:49.905
I mean, what did he do
with my dad's sperm?

00:24:49.988 --> 00:24:52.115
He just threw it away like it was nothing?

00:24:54.075 --> 00:24:56.328
I mean, it's just... It's wrong.

00:25:07.130 --> 00:25:09.049
After I met with Doug,

00:25:09.549 --> 00:25:12.844
he had called me and said,

00:25:13.345 --> 00:25:16.306
"I will do whatever it takes
to get you the answers."

00:25:17.182 --> 00:25:19.476
And I said, "We want to meet him."

00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:21.520
"We have questions for him."

00:25:23.104 --> 00:25:25.357
"I want him to look us in the eye."

00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.026
"You at least owe us that much."

00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:35.534
And so he set up a time
for myself and five other siblings

00:25:35.617 --> 00:25:37.118
to be able to meet Cline.

00:25:45.168 --> 00:25:48.046
It was almost like
the moment that his feet hit the floor,

00:25:48.129 --> 00:25:50.924
you could hear his footsteps,

00:25:51.007 --> 00:25:52.717
and you could hear his cane.

00:25:54.219 --> 00:25:57.514
He was not showing emotion.

00:25:58.557 --> 00:26:02.644
And on his hip,
I could see the outline of a gun.

00:26:04.646 --> 00:26:08.525
I think that it was
partially to intimidate us.

00:26:11.111 --> 00:26:13.488
So he introduced himself,

00:26:13.572 --> 00:26:18.493
and he went around the table,
asking each one's name, age,

00:26:18.577 --> 00:26:21.204
and what they did for a profession.

00:26:25.584 --> 00:26:28.837
It was almost like he was ranking us.

00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.505
Like, "Let me see

00:26:30.589 --> 00:26:34.634
which one of my offspring
made it to the top."

00:26:35.635 --> 00:26:37.470
I felt like we were being judged.

00:26:40.056 --> 00:26:42.684
Then we asked about medical history

00:26:42.767 --> 00:26:47.022
because some of us,
we have autoimmune disorders and stuff.

00:26:48.231 --> 00:26:51.568
He said that there was nothing
that we needed to worry about.

00:26:53.737 --> 00:26:56.031
He had a piece of paper with him

00:26:56.114 --> 00:26:58.783
that he brought scripture on.

00:26:58.867 --> 00:27:00.535
Jeremiah 1:5.

00:27:01.661 --> 00:27:05.123
I remember him looking at me
and going, "Jacoba, this is for you."

00:27:05.206 --> 00:27:07.667
Because he knew
I was having a hard time with this,

00:27:07.751 --> 00:27:10.086
and I'm like, "Put that shit away."

00:27:10.962 --> 00:27:14.591
I said... I did, I said,
"Just put that shit away."

00:27:14.674 --> 00:27:18.136
"You're not gonna use my God
to justify your actions."

00:27:19.638 --> 00:27:23.975
One of my siblings did ask him
why he used his own sperm.

00:27:24.059 --> 00:27:27.479
And he said that he only did it

00:27:27.562 --> 00:27:29.481
because he felt like the mothers

00:27:29.564 --> 00:27:33.068
were just basically desperate for a child,

00:27:33.151 --> 00:27:35.320
and he was doing it to help them.

00:27:37.656 --> 00:27:40.784
Finally, he said that the absolute number,

00:27:40.867 --> 00:27:43.578
there would not be more than 15 siblings.

00:27:51.878 --> 00:27:53.463
It's just too fucked up.

00:28:00.095 --> 00:28:02.263
I... I just felt bad for my mother.

00:28:04.307 --> 00:28:05.307
I mean...

00:28:07.268 --> 00:28:08.520
here she was, you know,

00:28:08.603 --> 00:28:11.648
a young woman
just wanting to have a family

00:28:11.731 --> 00:28:13.024
like anyone else.

00:28:19.572 --> 00:28:22.909
It's a sick individual
that puts themselves in that position

00:28:22.992 --> 00:28:24.202
to be able to do that.

00:28:28.331 --> 00:28:32.001
There are parts of me that wish
that I never had to deal with infertility.

00:28:39.426 --> 00:28:41.094
I wish that walk on no one.

00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.643
The way it worked
for me with Cline is, uh,

00:28:48.727 --> 00:28:50.895
I would go to his office.

00:28:52.981 --> 00:28:55.859
He was always
the only one in the office,

00:28:55.942 --> 00:28:58.445
whether I was coming in
on a weekend or during the week,

00:28:58.528 --> 00:29:01.072
during the midday, or late evening.

00:29:01.656 --> 00:29:04.951
He was the only one that greeted me
in his office, which was strange.

00:29:09.038 --> 00:29:11.458
And now the truth is that,

00:29:11.541 --> 00:29:13.460
as Cline was closing the door

00:29:13.543 --> 00:29:16.004
and I'm undressing
and putting my feet in the stirrups

00:29:16.087 --> 00:29:19.466
getting ready for him
to bring in the donor's sperm,

00:29:19.966 --> 00:29:24.804
he was in the... some other place
in the office ejaculating,

00:29:24.888 --> 00:29:28.558
and not only creating the erection,
but he has to go in full force

00:29:28.641 --> 00:29:31.394
in a sexual manner
to create that ejaculation.

00:29:32.270 --> 00:29:36.691
To me, that has always remained
a very sad part to me,

00:29:36.775 --> 00:29:38.193
and disgusting.

00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:42.530
That he was placing then his semen

00:29:42.614 --> 00:29:45.241
into some kind of syringe,

00:29:46.117 --> 00:29:50.997
and then he's got to place that syringe
at the base of my cervix.

00:29:53.249 --> 00:29:54.793
The fact that he

00:29:55.877 --> 00:29:58.463
was still in an endocrine high

00:29:58.546 --> 00:30:00.548
from having the ejaculation

00:30:01.716 --> 00:30:04.803
has no place in a medical setting.

00:30:08.264 --> 00:30:11.684
When Matt's DNA test came back...

00:30:17.023 --> 00:30:18.817
my first words were,

00:30:19.609 --> 00:30:22.278
"I was raped 15 times
and didn't even know it."

00:30:27.242 --> 00:30:29.661
This is unbelievable.

00:30:30.370 --> 00:30:31.996
How the fuck did no one know?

00:30:32.497 --> 00:30:35.959
I mean, just even the act of what he did

00:30:36.042 --> 00:30:38.545
for so many years,

00:30:38.628 --> 00:30:41.339
and to just get away with it

00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:45.844
for decades, and no one knew anything.

00:30:46.511 --> 00:30:48.137
No one in the office?

00:30:48.763 --> 00:30:49.763
Come on.

00:30:50.723 --> 00:30:52.267
Well, here's the thing.

00:30:53.268 --> 00:30:55.103
There wasn't much traffic
on that first floor

00:30:55.186 --> 00:30:57.438
other than
we'd come directly into our office.

00:30:57.522 --> 00:31:00.942
Don could have
clearly collected a specimen,

00:31:01.442 --> 00:31:04.028
and then he got it back,
and no one would know.

00:31:04.112 --> 00:31:06.823
They could... The nurse
could be in there for the insemination.

00:31:06.906 --> 00:31:10.201
They wouldn't know if it was
a donor from the hospital or not.

00:31:12.245 --> 00:31:15.790
Dr. Colver and I have discussed it,
and we had no idea.

00:31:16.374 --> 00:31:19.419
It just was never a thought,

00:31:19.502 --> 00:31:22.005
because it was so totally opposite

00:31:23.131 --> 00:31:25.300
from his normal behavior.

00:31:32.557 --> 00:31:35.018
This was a person
of a position of power.

00:31:35.602 --> 00:31:37.770
He's known in our community
as a philanthropist.

00:31:37.854 --> 00:31:40.398
He's known in our community
as an elder of the church.

00:31:42.275 --> 00:31:43.902
He was always a doctor.

00:31:44.652 --> 00:31:47.363
He was not gonna sit there
and chat with you.

00:31:47.947 --> 00:31:49.991
It was all pretty much

00:31:51.326 --> 00:31:53.786
doctor-person relationship.

00:31:54.871 --> 00:31:57.749
Or a stern father figure,

00:31:57.832 --> 00:32:00.960
if, you know,
if you can relate better to that.

00:32:02.211 --> 00:32:06.090
Mark was stationed
at Grissom Air Force Base,

00:32:06.174 --> 00:32:07.675
and so was Don,

00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.596
and we were socially friendly.

00:32:11.679 --> 00:32:15.183
I would say arrogant fits him,
for some reason.

00:32:15.266 --> 00:32:18.937
I mean, I don't know
exactly why I felt that way.

00:32:19.020 --> 00:32:23.107
You... you do because you were
in study groups and so on.

00:32:23.983 --> 00:32:27.904
Uh, he was... he was okay.
I mean, he obviously was a bright guy.

00:32:27.987 --> 00:32:29.989
He thought he knew... He did know a lot.

00:32:30.073 --> 00:32:31.658
He always was confident.

00:32:32.241 --> 00:32:33.618
He always was self-assured.

00:32:33.701 --> 00:32:36.579
He wasn't... I never saw him doubt

00:32:37.372 --> 00:32:39.874
that what he was doing wasn't right.

00:32:42.251 --> 00:32:45.713
If you knew something,
and he knew something, he knew more.

00:32:46.714 --> 00:32:48.383
That was his attitude.

00:32:49.425 --> 00:32:54.764
He always belittled
how much I knew about child de...

00:32:54.847 --> 00:32:57.141
You know, child development, even.

00:32:57.934 --> 00:33:00.395
I mean, that was my area of specialty.

00:33:00.478 --> 00:33:05.274
Uh, I... I have a PhD in neurobiology,

00:33:05.358 --> 00:33:08.653
and I'm also, um,
an occupational therapist,

00:33:08.736 --> 00:33:11.030
and I treated preemies.

00:33:12.073 --> 00:33:13.408
But he knew more.

00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:17.662
If you crossed him...

00:33:19.497 --> 00:33:20.497
...that was it.

00:33:27.130 --> 00:33:31.217
The first conversations
that I had with Dr. Cline,

00:33:31.300 --> 00:33:33.761
he told me
that he was protected under HIPAA.

00:33:34.262 --> 00:33:38.224
He told me that I could be sued
or that Fox 59 could be sued.

00:33:40.018 --> 00:33:43.062
He made it very clear
that I needed to be careful.

00:33:44.188 --> 00:33:46.524
So, that's when Cline called me.

00:33:47.525 --> 00:33:48.901
I was in shock.

00:33:48.985 --> 00:33:50.862
I don't know what it was in me.

00:33:51.654 --> 00:33:54.615
He called my home phone,
and I recorded that conversation.

00:33:55.408 --> 00:33:56.868
- <i>Jacoba?</i>
- Yes.

00:33:57.869 --> 00:33:59.620
<i>Uh, this is Dr. Cline.</i>

00:34:00.246 --> 00:34:03.332
<i>Uh, do you have time
to talk with me just a little bit?</i>

00:34:03.416 --> 00:34:05.293
- Yes.
<i>- Okay.</i>

00:34:05.793 --> 00:34:10.923
<i>Um, I'm getting, uh,
a real problem with, um,</i>

00:34:11.674 --> 00:34:15.803
<i>uh, the television station, um, 59.</i>

00:34:15.887 --> 00:34:16.929
Mm-hmm.

00:34:17.013 --> 00:34:22.351
<i>Um, they are demanding,
um, that I meet with them.</i>

00:34:23.728 --> 00:34:25.438
<i>Uh, I can't do that.</i>

00:34:25.521 --> 00:34:29.025
<i>Uh, it's not fair to me.
It's not fair to you all.</i>

00:34:30.193 --> 00:34:32.737
<i>Uh, they're... they're trying to make a, um...</i>

00:34:34.322 --> 00:34:36.324
<i>Oh...</i>

00:34:36.407 --> 00:34:39.619
<i>They're... they're trying to, um...</i>

00:34:41.704 --> 00:34:43.581
<i>improve their ratings,</i>

00:34:44.499 --> 00:34:50.880
<i>and, um, my wife and I,
after 57 years of marriage...</i>

00:34:50.963 --> 00:34:54.175
<i>Um, if... if this comes out,</i>

00:34:55.218 --> 00:34:57.845
<i>uh, our marriage will be over.</i>

00:34:58.638 --> 00:34:59.638
<i>Um,</i>

00:35:00.431 --> 00:35:01.474
<i>can you help?</i>

00:35:02.308 --> 00:35:05.645
<i>I mean, no disrespect,</i>

00:35:05.728 --> 00:35:09.899
<i>but I feel like what you're telling me
is to keep my life a secret.</i>

00:35:09.982 --> 00:35:15.029
<i>That I am not allowed to know who I am...</i>

00:35:16.155 --> 00:35:18.533
<i>- Well...
- ...when I didn't do anything wrong.</i>

00:35:19.325 --> 00:35:22.161
<i>Well, yes, but you know, I didn't...</i>

00:35:22.245 --> 00:35:25.540
<i>At the time, I didn't feel like
I was doing anything wrong either.</i>

00:35:25.623 --> 00:35:29.043
<i>But you... I feel like I'm
being blamed for this, like it's my fault.</i>

00:35:29.127 --> 00:35:30.586
<i>I don't understand.</i>

00:35:31.254 --> 00:35:36.300
<i>It's, uh, it's your fault
because I don't care who you tell.</i>

00:35:36.384 --> 00:35:37.426
<i>It's just</i>

00:35:38.386 --> 00:35:43.182
<i>putting it on television
for the entire world to see.</i>

00:35:45.393 --> 00:35:48.938
<i>Well, I... I cannot...
Like I said, I can't control her.</i>

00:35:49.021 --> 00:35:51.440
<i>I can't stop that. I can't.</i>

00:35:52.108 --> 00:35:55.945
<i>Well, because you... you...
you can stop talking to her and say,</i>

00:35:56.028 --> 00:35:58.781
<i>"You know,
I... I just don't want to share anymore."</i>

00:36:00.283 --> 00:36:02.243
<i>I'm just telling you what's gonna happen,</i>

00:36:02.326 --> 00:36:04.871
<i>and I'm going to be hurt badly.</i>

00:36:04.954 --> 00:36:08.749
<i>Well, that's
what's happened to everybody so far,</i>

00:36:09.250 --> 00:36:13.171
<i>and you know,
that... that's because of the actions...</i>

00:36:13.254 --> 00:36:15.923
<i>This tells me that
that's exactly what you want.</i>

00:36:24.182 --> 00:36:27.476
When you push me,
I'm gonna push back 100 times more.

00:36:27.560 --> 00:36:29.812
So when he called me, it's like,

00:36:30.521 --> 00:36:31.647
"Bring it on."

00:36:33.691 --> 00:36:36.611
"Bring it on
because I'm ready to fight you."

00:36:37.111 --> 00:36:39.822
<i>♪ When I go, don't cry for me ♪</i>

00:36:39.906 --> 00:36:42.533
<i>♪ In my Father's arms, I'll be ♪</i>

00:36:42.617 --> 00:36:46.370
I contacted
the Attorney General's office again

00:36:46.454 --> 00:36:49.540
to get a status on this complaint,

00:36:49.624 --> 00:36:52.293
and nobody was returning my calls.

00:36:52.376 --> 00:36:55.504
<i>♪ Sun and moon will be replaced ♪</i>

00:36:55.588 --> 00:36:57.089
<i>♪ With the light of... ♪</i>

00:36:57.173 --> 00:36:59.759
So I decided
to investigate him myself.

00:37:00.927 --> 00:37:03.346
<i>♪ And I will not be ashamed ♪</i>

00:37:03.429 --> 00:37:05.598
<i>♪ For my Savior knows my name ♪</i>

00:37:05.681 --> 00:37:08.517
I started researching
everything about him,

00:37:09.435 --> 00:37:13.147
from papers written, to articles,

00:37:13.231 --> 00:37:18.361
to conferences he had attended, to blogs.

00:37:18.444 --> 00:37:22.949
<i>♪ It don't matter anywhere I lay ♪</i>

00:37:23.032 --> 00:37:24.867
It was so much research.

00:37:24.951 --> 00:37:27.119
<i>♪ All my tears be washed away ♪</i>

00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.164
I had just papers everywhere

00:37:30.248 --> 00:37:33.542
to prove that I wasn't some crazy maniac.

00:37:33.626 --> 00:37:35.628
<i>♪ All my tears be washed away ♪</i>

00:37:35.711 --> 00:37:37.546
He wanted me to keep quiet.

00:37:38.047 --> 00:37:39.548
And he wanted me to keep quiet

00:37:39.632 --> 00:37:42.301
because he knew
that there were more siblings.

00:37:49.892 --> 00:37:52.853
My husband
gave me a DNA test as a gift,

00:37:54.438 --> 00:37:57.733
and then I got a message saying,

00:37:58.442 --> 00:37:59.819
"I think we're related."

00:38:03.614 --> 00:38:06.659
When it all hit me, I kind of

00:38:07.368 --> 00:38:10.329
just sat and stared
for the rest of the day.

00:38:11.205 --> 00:38:14.583
And then, for the next couple of weeks,
had a complete identity crisis,

00:38:14.667 --> 00:38:16.294
and I couldn't look in the mirror.

00:38:16.377 --> 00:38:19.255
I didn't wanna think
about where I got my hair from,

00:38:19.338 --> 00:38:20.923
or where I got my eyes from,

00:38:21.465 --> 00:38:23.801
because I had always thought
those were from my dad.

00:38:25.261 --> 00:38:29.056
There was never any reason
that I would have questioned anything.

00:38:29.765 --> 00:38:31.350
My parents trusted their doctor,

00:38:31.434 --> 00:38:34.228
who said that it would be
better for me to not know,

00:38:34.770 --> 00:38:36.397
and that I would never find out.

00:38:39.984 --> 00:38:42.570
Every time
that a new sibling pops up,

00:38:43.446 --> 00:38:46.449
I know that I'm going to call them,

00:38:46.532 --> 00:38:50.411
and I know
that, um, I'm going to ruin their life.

00:38:52.496 --> 00:38:56.375
It's hard because we know
what we went through.

00:38:56.459 --> 00:39:00.046
And we're making someone else
go through this exact same thing.

00:39:03.632 --> 00:39:07.595
The first people who reached out
to me were Julie and Jacoba.

00:39:09.305 --> 00:39:12.641
I messaged them back and said,
"I need some time to process."

00:39:12.725 --> 00:39:14.226
"I'll reach back out later."

00:39:14.310 --> 00:39:16.729
Um, and so
it was probably a couple of months

00:39:16.812 --> 00:39:19.815
before I, um, actually reached out

00:39:19.899 --> 00:39:22.526
to... to have a conversation with anyone.

00:39:22.610 --> 00:39:23.861
Um,

00:39:24.820 --> 00:39:26.405
your world is changing.

00:39:30.743 --> 00:39:33.204
When you have
new siblings pop up,

00:39:34.205 --> 00:39:36.040
you are on the phone with them for hours

00:39:36.123 --> 00:39:39.335
because it's the worst day of their life.

00:39:41.921 --> 00:39:44.340
You've lived that over and over and over.

00:39:54.016 --> 00:39:56.936
I asked
for a DNA test for Christmas,

00:39:57.603 --> 00:39:59.563
and I was really confused

00:39:59.647 --> 00:40:02.233
'cause all of these random names to me

00:40:02.316 --> 00:40:05.653
were popping up,
and it said, "Close Family."

00:40:06.278 --> 00:40:08.656
And so I really did not know
what "Close Family" meant.

00:40:08.739 --> 00:40:11.325
It did... did not even...
I did not even think,

00:40:11.409 --> 00:40:13.828
"Oh, brother or sister,"
I didn't even think, "Cousin."

00:40:13.953 --> 00:40:16.163
I got a message
that a new sibling popped up,

00:40:16.247 --> 00:40:19.417
and I logged in,
and it said, you know, "Lisa,"

00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:22.920
and her last name,
and I was like, "Huh, I know her."

00:40:23.421 --> 00:40:26.507
Her husband taught
my daughter on the softball team.

00:40:26.590 --> 00:40:30.761
Um, my daughter and her daughter
played basketball together.

00:40:30.845 --> 00:40:32.165
I sent her a message, and I said,

00:40:32.221 --> 00:40:34.849
"Hey, did you happen
to do an Ancestry test?"

00:40:34.932 --> 00:40:37.768
She said, "Well, do you know
about the Dr. Cline story?"

00:40:37.852 --> 00:40:39.520
And she said, "He's our father."

00:40:40.396 --> 00:40:43.899
And I honestly, I started laughing.

00:40:43.983 --> 00:40:48.362
I... I was... thought Julie was kind of crazy.
I was like, "What are you talking about?"

00:40:48.446 --> 00:40:51.031
"There... there's no way he can be my dad."

00:40:52.241 --> 00:40:53.951
And then I called my mom.

00:40:54.660 --> 00:40:59.999
I said, "Hey, Mom, did you and Dad
ever have any issues conceiving me?"

00:41:00.082 --> 00:41:02.710
She said, "Well, I didn't,
but yeah, your dad did."

00:41:03.627 --> 00:41:06.422
And so my heart dropped a little bit.

00:41:06.505 --> 00:41:09.216
And she said,
"He actually had a low sperm count,

00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:12.636
and his doctor recommended us
to a specialist."

00:41:13.137 --> 00:41:15.931
I said, "Mom,
was this specialist in Indianapolis?"

00:41:16.015 --> 00:41:17.600
And she said, "Yeah, why?"

00:41:17.683 --> 00:41:19.977
And I said, "Was it Dr. Donald Cline?"

00:41:20.060 --> 00:41:21.520
And she said, "Yes."

00:41:24.231 --> 00:41:25.316
She said,

00:41:25.399 --> 00:41:27.985
"I went and had the procedure done twice,

00:41:28.068 --> 00:41:32.490
but both times your father
was there with me and provided a sample."

00:41:34.700 --> 00:41:39.538
And so, at that point,
I realized my mom and dad had no idea.

00:41:40.122 --> 00:41:43.876
They thought all along
that I was my dad's.

00:41:49.798 --> 00:41:51.091
I worry for my kids,

00:41:52.092 --> 00:41:55.387
especially I have siblings
that live in the same town as me,

00:41:55.471 --> 00:41:56.871
and our kids go to school together.

00:41:56.931 --> 00:42:00.518
And so, I've had to have the talk
with my daughter about,

00:42:01.352 --> 00:42:04.271
"You've got to be careful
when you start dating."

00:42:04.772 --> 00:42:08.651
"We got to be aware
of who this person is,"

00:42:08.734 --> 00:42:11.153
but it's definitely a huge concern.

00:42:13.531 --> 00:42:15.950
When we get a new sibling alert,

00:42:16.742 --> 00:42:20.204
you're praying,
"Please don't let it be somebody I know."

00:42:20.287 --> 00:42:22.581
Or "Please don't let it be
somebody I dated."

00:42:23.457 --> 00:42:25.584
And I'm sure it's bound to happen.

00:42:31.924 --> 00:42:36.303
The majority of us live in,
like, a 25-mile radius of each other.

00:42:36.929 --> 00:42:40.349
There's also quite a few
that live within minutes of Cline.

00:42:50.401 --> 00:42:52.152
I walk around,

00:42:53.112 --> 00:42:55.447
and I could be related to anyone.

00:42:57.533 --> 00:43:02.037
I mean, it's just common for me
to pass people on the street,

00:43:02.121 --> 00:43:04.665
um, at work, wherever I may be,

00:43:04.748 --> 00:43:07.376
and, I mean, I'll look at them and think,

00:43:07.459 --> 00:43:10.421
"Oh, the way you stand, the way you look."

00:43:11.630 --> 00:43:12.965
"You could be related to me."

00:43:18.304 --> 00:43:21.223
We live in this small community.

00:43:23.517 --> 00:43:25.436
Everyone that you interact with

00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.980
appears to have
some sort of connection to Cline.

00:43:29.189 --> 00:43:31.984
My dentist across the street
was a patient of his.

00:43:32.610 --> 00:43:37.823
My next-door neighbor
was the nurse to one of my half-siblings,

00:43:37.906 --> 00:43:40.159
and then there's this connection,

00:43:40.242 --> 00:43:41.702
or there's that connection.

00:43:41.785 --> 00:43:44.580
"Oh, my mom saw them at the nail salon."

00:43:55.799 --> 00:43:59.637
I think without a doubt,
there are probably people that I've met

00:43:59.720 --> 00:44:03.265
that are my half-sibling,
and I just don't even know it.

00:44:03.349 --> 00:44:04.767
They don't even know it.

00:44:28.749 --> 00:44:30.959
Who knows
how many siblings we have?

00:44:37.675 --> 00:44:40.177
I had emailed Dr. Cline
and told him,

00:44:40.260 --> 00:44:42.888
"We're moving forward with the story.
We would be using his name."

00:44:42.971 --> 00:44:47.935
You know, "This is the time
for you to come clean to the public."

00:44:48.936 --> 00:44:52.106
So, finally, he said, "If there's no audio
and no video, I will meet with you."

00:44:53.107 --> 00:44:55.317
I asked him if he wanted
to come to FOX 59.

00:44:55.401 --> 00:44:56.819
He said no. I said,

00:44:56.902 --> 00:44:59.488
"There's a restaurant
close to the TV station."

00:44:59.571 --> 00:45:01.251
And I wanted to be close to the TV station

00:45:01.323 --> 00:45:03.117
because I wanted
to make sure for my safety.

00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:05.786
I wanted it to be someplace
that I felt safe.

00:45:06.704 --> 00:45:10.708
My boss at that time wanted me
to take our security guard with us

00:45:10.791 --> 00:45:13.210
because she feared for my safety.

00:45:13.293 --> 00:45:16.213
We knew that Dr. Cline
did not want to, quote, "be outed,"

00:45:16.296 --> 00:45:20.092
and Jacoba told me that he carried a gun.

00:45:20.592 --> 00:45:22.261
We thought that he was desperate.

00:45:24.930 --> 00:45:29.226
<i>She is, um, uh,
demanding I meet with... with them.</i>

00:45:31.478 --> 00:45:33.981
<i>They're going to force me to do this.</i>

00:45:34.064 --> 00:45:36.316
<i>- Mm-hmm.
- I've gotta tell the truth.</i>

00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.194
<i>- Mm-hmm. Well...
- And I don't want to do that.</i>

00:45:40.028 --> 00:45:41.697
I was very nervous,

00:45:41.780 --> 00:45:44.867
and when he came in,
it was within minutes he's asking me

00:45:44.950 --> 00:45:47.286
if guns are allowed in the restaurant.

00:45:47.369 --> 00:45:49.830
And I'm thinking,
"What a weird thing to say to me."

00:45:49.913 --> 00:45:53.417
Then I'm looking down, and it looks like
he has a gun underneath his sweater.

00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:56.003
There's something bulging
on the side, and I'm thinking,

00:45:56.587 --> 00:45:59.381
"I don't wanna be crazy,
but is there any chance

00:45:59.882 --> 00:46:01.592
that he could pull out a gun
and shoot me?"

00:46:01.675 --> 00:46:03.218
I honestly thought that.

00:46:06.972 --> 00:46:09.558
One of the first things
he said in our conversation

00:46:09.641 --> 00:46:11.226
was that he knew where I lived,

00:46:11.310 --> 00:46:12.895
and he knew where I was from.

00:46:12.978 --> 00:46:15.355
Remember, this was
after he had said before,

00:46:16.231 --> 00:46:17.274
"Be careful."

00:46:18.609 --> 00:46:20.444
The meeting was about an hour long,

00:46:20.527 --> 00:46:23.405
and I feel like he was begging me

00:46:24.198 --> 00:46:26.200
to not air the story.

00:46:26.992 --> 00:46:28.660
He said, "It will ruin my marriage."

00:46:29.536 --> 00:46:32.372
"It will hurt my church.
I'm an elder at the church."

00:46:33.373 --> 00:46:37.711
I let him know that we have
that burden to tell the truth,

00:46:37.795 --> 00:46:40.047
and the truth matters.

00:46:46.804 --> 00:46:50.849
So that's when, like,
the whole whirlwind just started with him,

00:46:50.933 --> 00:46:54.186
and strange things started happening.

00:46:57.481 --> 00:46:59.066
I had woke up one day,

00:46:59.566 --> 00:47:03.028
and all of the lug nuts
were missing off of my car.

00:47:04.279 --> 00:47:06.323
And I'm talking all four tires.

00:47:14.081 --> 00:47:15.249
And that's scary.

00:47:16.667 --> 00:47:18.460
So, yeah.

00:47:20.128 --> 00:47:21.128
Um...

00:47:21.672 --> 00:47:24.591
And you can't tell me
that that's like some freak...

00:47:25.425 --> 00:47:26.425
Yeah.

00:47:30.222 --> 00:47:31.223
I was hacked.

00:47:31.723 --> 00:47:36.228
Everything that I had saved
to a Google Drive

00:47:36.311 --> 00:47:40.440
of publications of Cline was just erased,

00:47:40.983 --> 00:47:45.988
and every single email
regarding him was gone.

00:47:49.157 --> 00:47:51.493
Soon after I went public,

00:47:51.577 --> 00:47:53.954
I started getting harassing phone calls,

00:47:54.037 --> 00:47:56.081
like the cemetery

00:47:56.164 --> 00:47:58.250
asking if I wanted to buy a plot

00:47:58.834 --> 00:48:00.210
for me to be buried in.

00:48:02.796 --> 00:48:05.299
I think it was to rattle me.

00:48:05.382 --> 00:48:06.508
Um...

00:48:08.760 --> 00:48:12.014
to... to re-traumatize me
so that I would be quiet.

00:48:12.764 --> 00:48:18.270
I don't think he wanted, um, any of us
to talk publicly if he could help it.

00:48:20.856 --> 00:48:24.067
In my gut, I feel
like we're being harassed and stalked

00:48:24.151 --> 00:48:25.944
to get us to shut up,

00:48:26.028 --> 00:48:29.197
especially when Cline called
and threatened me over the phone.

00:48:31.074 --> 00:48:34.244
<i>What you're doing is
that you're telling the world,</i>

00:48:35.495 --> 00:48:38.248
<i>and the world doesn't need to know.</i>

00:48:40.918 --> 00:48:43.462
<i>- I...
- I'm not trying to do harm.</i>

00:48:44.379 --> 00:48:45.881
<i>Well, you are.</i>

00:48:50.093 --> 00:48:51.970
I'm not scared of you.

00:48:54.806 --> 00:48:56.224
You can threaten me,

00:48:57.351 --> 00:48:59.436
but I will never back down.

00:49:02.522 --> 00:49:04.399
I am going to expose you.

00:49:09.404 --> 00:49:11.949
And I'm gonna expose
all of your secrets.

00:49:19.456 --> 00:49:21.124
I found out that

00:49:22.167 --> 00:49:24.002
in 1963...

00:49:26.129 --> 00:49:27.547
...he was driving...

00:49:35.472 --> 00:49:39.351
...and this little girl
darted out between two cars...

00:49:43.855 --> 00:49:45.565
...and he hit her.

00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:58.120
No!

00:50:03.500 --> 00:50:04.918
She ended up dying.

00:50:07.879 --> 00:50:11.466
He has told everybody
that's when he changed his life.

00:50:13.218 --> 00:50:14.511
That's when he found God.

00:50:19.224 --> 00:50:21.226
That traumatized him.

00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:25.230
After that, he became more religious

00:50:25.313 --> 00:50:28.650
and, um, churchgoing
than he had been before.

00:50:30.277 --> 00:50:32.946
Maybe he thought
that this was his way of giving back,

00:50:33.030 --> 00:50:35.240
that he took a life
that really wasn't his fault.

00:50:35.323 --> 00:50:37.242
Now, he was going to give back.

00:50:37.325 --> 00:50:40.954
Maybe that was a psychological process
going through his mind.

00:50:41.038 --> 00:50:46.084
But it doesn't really matter
because that should not have been a way

00:50:46.168 --> 00:50:48.712
that he was trying...
to try to, uh, make amends

00:50:48.795 --> 00:50:50.881
for some terrible accident that happened.

00:50:53.633 --> 00:50:56.428
He was very religious,

00:50:57.137 --> 00:51:00.891
had very deep roots,

00:51:00.974 --> 00:51:04.478
and he and his wife taught
marriage counseling in their church.

00:51:04.561 --> 00:51:06.146
They taught Sunday school.

00:51:06.772 --> 00:51:10.233
And whenever he was
in the office and all of us were there,

00:51:10.317 --> 00:51:14.696
he would sit down, and we would wait,
and he would say a prayer.

00:51:16.573 --> 00:51:18.992
He, at some point, asked me

00:51:19.826 --> 00:51:21.495
if I was Jewish,

00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.581
and I said yes.

00:51:24.664 --> 00:51:28.627
And I said, "And by the way,
I'm very uncomfortable with your office

00:51:28.710 --> 00:51:31.088
full of all kinds of Christian sayings."

00:51:31.171 --> 00:51:34.299
Things like,
"If you want to get into heaven,

00:51:34.883 --> 00:51:36.343
you need to be Christian."

00:51:46.061 --> 00:51:47.938
Yeah. I knew... I knew Donald Cline.

00:51:51.274 --> 00:51:53.819
The church is set up
where they have an eldership.

00:51:53.902 --> 00:51:57.155
So they have seven or eight men

00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:01.076
that governed the church body
as far as what was taught,

00:52:01.576 --> 00:52:04.579
and he was one of those elders.

00:52:06.832 --> 00:52:11.545
We would go over
to his house for baptisms.

00:52:13.004 --> 00:52:17.843
Literally, 50 to 100 people
would attend baptisms

00:52:17.926 --> 00:52:20.137
right there in their...
at their swimming pool.

00:52:23.098 --> 00:52:25.350
That's where
we really got to know them.

00:52:26.101 --> 00:52:28.228
From a Christian perspective,
you have to say,

00:52:28.311 --> 00:52:30.438
"Hey, we... we all have
skeletons in our closet."

00:52:30.522 --> 00:52:33.650
"We all have done things
that we regret doing."

00:52:36.236 --> 00:52:38.905
I know that he and God
have reconciled that.

00:52:41.533 --> 00:52:45.078
That he's been forgiven,
and that he has moved on from that,

00:52:45.162 --> 00:52:47.164
and he's a different person now.

00:52:49.082 --> 00:52:52.335
He portrays himself
as this godly man.

00:52:52.961 --> 00:52:54.629
And I know we all make mistakes,

00:52:54.713 --> 00:52:57.549
but I think there's more behind this.

00:52:57.632 --> 00:52:59.259
What made him

00:53:00.093 --> 00:53:03.722
every day wake up
and decide to go into his work,

00:53:05.265 --> 00:53:06.391
masturbate,

00:53:07.350 --> 00:53:11.479
and place it unknowingly
inside women without their consent.

00:53:15.817 --> 00:53:17.527
He could've stopped at any point,

00:53:17.611 --> 00:53:21.406
but he kept doing it
over and over and over and over.

00:53:37.255 --> 00:53:41.176
Growing up, I kind of knew
that something was off.

00:53:41.259 --> 00:53:42.719
Something was different.

00:53:48.058 --> 00:53:50.977
You know,
why do I got blond hair, blue eyes?

00:53:53.230 --> 00:53:55.982
Everyone in my family
has dark eyes and dark hair.

00:53:58.902 --> 00:54:03.490
So, I got an Ancestry kit
just to figure out where I came from.

00:54:05.867 --> 00:54:08.787
When Ancestry results
came through, my coworker said,

00:54:08.870 --> 00:54:13.208
"Well, you'll have
11, 15 hits on Ancestry."

00:54:14.417 --> 00:54:18.129
Well, when I opened up mine,
I had over 3,000 hits.

00:54:22.050 --> 00:54:24.970
And then immediately after that,

00:54:25.553 --> 00:54:26.554
Jacoba called me.

00:54:27.222 --> 00:54:28.390
"I'm your sister."

00:54:29.724 --> 00:54:31.309
And she told me the truth.

00:54:32.978 --> 00:54:37.440
I don't even know how to tell you
the emotions that came over my head.

00:54:39.276 --> 00:54:42.529
Took me to an incredibly dark place.

00:54:44.489 --> 00:54:45.532
Why?

00:54:46.199 --> 00:54:48.201
Why feel the need to do this?

00:54:48.285 --> 00:54:50.704
Is it to... to further your career?

00:54:53.081 --> 00:54:55.458
Is it to be the best of the best?

00:54:55.542 --> 00:54:57.460
Is this to create life?

00:54:57.544 --> 00:55:00.505
Is this some sort of sexual thing?

00:55:01.006 --> 00:55:02.632
Like, I don't know.

00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:06.303
I feel like he's hiding
something more sinister.

00:55:14.602 --> 00:55:17.689
Jason, we talked on the phone
a lot before we got to meet.

00:55:17.772 --> 00:55:19.024
Hey, how are you?

00:55:21.693 --> 00:55:22.694
This is crazy.

00:55:22.777 --> 00:55:23.820
I know!

00:55:24.487 --> 00:55:26.448
Jason and I are very similar.

00:55:26.531 --> 00:55:28.908
Like, we can
read through people's bullshit.

00:55:30.702 --> 00:55:32.203
When someone isn't religious,

00:55:32.287 --> 00:55:35.665
and you're gonna use
religious verses to justify your actions,

00:55:36.249 --> 00:55:37.625
that just makes it even more...

00:55:37.709 --> 00:55:39.309
Worse. I would have just laughed at him.

00:55:39.336 --> 00:55:42.339
Well, and it makes it even more
of a reasoning of people saying,

00:55:42.422 --> 00:55:45.175
"That right there is why
I would never be religious

00:55:45.258 --> 00:55:47.093
because of fuck nuts like you."

00:55:47.177 --> 00:55:48.928
And it took all I had in me

00:55:50.305 --> 00:55:52.974
to talk to him on the phone
that day without going off.

00:55:53.058 --> 00:55:55.185
And I thought,
"You've just got to remain calm

00:55:55.268 --> 00:55:57.896
because you're recording this,
and try to get as much out."

00:55:58.897 --> 00:56:00.023
Let me hear it.

00:56:02.650 --> 00:56:05.862
<i>You know, I know
that nothing happens without God,</i>

00:56:06.446 --> 00:56:08.406
<i>um, allowing it.</i>

00:56:08.907 --> 00:56:10.147
Um...

00:56:10.617 --> 00:56:12.577
<i>See,
I think that's where our problem is.</i>

00:56:12.619 --> 00:56:15.179
<i>I don't think that God
should have allowed it in the first place,</i>

00:56:15.205 --> 00:56:19.084
<i>and I really think that we ask ourselves
every day, "Why are we here?"</i>

00:56:20.043 --> 00:56:22.754
<i>I think that's, like,
a lot of our problems.</i>

00:56:23.922 --> 00:56:24.756
<i>Yeah.</i>

00:56:24.839 --> 00:56:29.928
<i>Well, you know,
I mentioned one of my favorite, um...</i>

00:56:31.262 --> 00:56:35.934
<i>One of my favorite scriptures
was Jeremiah 1:5.</i>

00:56:37.310 --> 00:56:38.853
<i>If you'll remember, it says,</i>

00:56:38.937 --> 00:56:42.524
<i>"Before I formed you
in your mother's womb, I knew you."</i>

00:56:42.607 --> 00:56:44.609
<i>Mm-hmm. Yeah.</i>

00:56:44.692 --> 00:56:45.692
<i>Um,</i>

00:56:46.444 --> 00:56:50.615
<i>and... and that tells me,
and it should tell everybody</i>

00:56:50.698 --> 00:56:54.911
<i>that no one is born as a mistake.</i>

00:56:55.453 --> 00:56:58.998
Before I knew you, in your mother...
What it... What was it? It's...

00:56:59.082 --> 00:57:02.335
"Before I formed you in
your mother's womb, I knew you."

00:57:02.919 --> 00:57:04.629
Jeremiah 1:5.

00:57:04.712 --> 00:57:06.673
Which really just kinda...

00:57:08.716 --> 00:57:12.345
nails it all home
that he knew what he was doing.

00:57:13.596 --> 00:57:15.890
He knew exactly what he was doing with us.

00:57:21.479 --> 00:57:23.982
I've just become obsessed with the story

00:57:24.065 --> 00:57:26.901
and trying to piece everything together.

00:57:27.402 --> 00:57:29.988
When I was sent an email

00:57:30.071 --> 00:57:32.740
from someone
at the Attorney General's office,

00:57:32.824 --> 00:57:36.161
I would go through,
and the person that sent me the email,

00:57:36.244 --> 00:57:39.122
and every person
that was copied in on that email,

00:57:39.205 --> 00:57:41.291
I would search them on Facebook.

00:57:42.083 --> 00:57:44.377
And one of the people with the state

00:57:44.461 --> 00:57:47.422
has a "Quiverfull" email address.

00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:49.841
That's when it was...

00:57:50.341 --> 00:57:53.136
"What is Quiverfull?
Like, what the hell is it?"

00:57:56.347 --> 00:57:58.099
<i>God says, "Children are a blessing."</i>

00:57:58.183 --> 00:58:00.477
<i>"We should want to have
our quiver full of them..."</i>

00:58:01.060 --> 00:58:03.855
Quiverfull.
It's essentially a cult

00:58:03.938 --> 00:58:06.983
aimed to having
as many children as possible.

00:58:07.525 --> 00:58:10.778
<i>If a man with his wife
has a lot of children,</i>

00:58:10.862 --> 00:58:12.906
<i>he will send them out as arrows.</i>

00:58:12.989 --> 00:58:16.034
<i>He's like a warrior for God,
and he sends his children out</i>

00:58:16.117 --> 00:58:19.662
<i>as arrows into the world,
who will be ambassadors for God.</i>

00:58:23.166 --> 00:58:26.252
<i>The children are raised
to actively participate in government,</i>

00:58:26.336 --> 00:58:28.213
<i>to actively run for office,</i>

00:58:28.296 --> 00:58:31.925
<i>to seek positions of political prominence,</i>

00:58:32.008 --> 00:58:36.012
<i>and eventually that the civil law
will actually be the Bible.</i>

00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.766
Lo and behold, Jeremiah 1:5,

00:58:39.849 --> 00:58:41.976
the verse that he kept using

00:58:42.060 --> 00:58:44.479
is one of the Bible verses

00:58:45.313 --> 00:58:47.190
that Quiverfull uses.

00:58:49.484 --> 00:58:53.112
Basically, for them,
women are just... You... you breed.

00:58:54.656 --> 00:58:57.784
Was Cline in this Quiverfull movement?

00:59:00.328 --> 00:59:06.251
Were all of us part
of some sick, twisted, secret society?

00:59:08.753 --> 00:59:11.589
There's so many theories
that I've thought of in my head.

00:59:14.801 --> 00:59:17.554
I think the philosophies

00:59:17.637 --> 00:59:21.599
or the beliefs of the Quiverfull movement
seem so outrageous to me

00:59:21.683 --> 00:59:24.602
that it's hard for me
to actually believe that it's real.

00:59:24.686 --> 00:59:27.564
I agree with that
and that we could even be a part of it.

00:59:27.647 --> 00:59:28.481
Mm-hmm.

00:59:28.565 --> 00:59:29.565
Yeah.

00:59:30.608 --> 00:59:34.237
With the Quiverfull theory,
back when we were all conceived,

00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:37.991
that theory was
to produce more of the white race

00:59:38.575 --> 00:59:42.745
because they were in fear
that other races were infiltrating that

00:59:42.829 --> 00:59:45.331
and the white race
would eventually disappear.

00:59:45.832 --> 00:59:46.832
I mean,

00:59:47.667 --> 00:59:50.128
when you look at that wall of babies,

00:59:50.211 --> 00:59:53.214
it is all Caucasian babies.

00:59:56.968 --> 01:00:00.888
It's crazy because every time
we get a DNA match,

01:00:01.472 --> 01:00:04.142
it's like, "Yep.
Looks like one of the Cline boys,"

01:00:05.184 --> 01:00:06.769
or "Looks like a Cline girl."

01:00:08.563 --> 01:00:10.523
Most of us have blond hair

01:00:11.024 --> 01:00:12.859
and blue eyes.

01:00:15.028 --> 01:00:18.615
I hate to say this
'cause it sounds so... But it's almost like

01:00:19.449 --> 01:00:23.911
we're like this perfect Aryan clan,

01:00:23.995 --> 01:00:27.832
and... it's disgusting.

01:00:28.499 --> 01:00:31.461
It's sad that we have
to have conspiracy theories

01:00:31.544 --> 01:00:33.463
to understand why he did this.

01:00:33.546 --> 01:00:35.506
If he would just tell us,

01:00:35.590 --> 01:00:37.383
then we wouldn't have to go through

01:00:37.467 --> 01:00:39.594
of trying to find
all these different reasons...

01:00:39.677 --> 01:00:41.471
Life would be easier for him if he did.

01:00:41.554 --> 01:00:43.139
It would help all of us heal too.

01:00:43.222 --> 01:00:45.433
But you're not gonna
get that from somebody

01:00:45.516 --> 01:00:49.354
that does not have
compassion or any empathy.

01:00:49.437 --> 01:00:52.857
It's disgusting to sit there
and lay in bed at night,

01:00:52.940 --> 01:00:56.486
and wonder if the person that created you

01:00:57.403 --> 01:00:59.197
is some racist bigot,

01:01:00.782 --> 01:01:03.368
and he used my mom as a pawn.

01:01:04.535 --> 01:01:07.538
And he did it
over and over and over again.

01:01:08.373 --> 01:01:10.375
Ugh.

01:01:12.835 --> 01:01:13.920
Ugh!

01:01:17.215 --> 01:01:18.549
I didn't ask to be born.

01:01:18.633 --> 01:01:21.177
I didn't ask to be born
into this situation.

01:01:23.096 --> 01:01:24.472
But this is my life.

01:01:25.014 --> 01:01:26.766
But it's not your fault.

01:01:26.849 --> 01:01:31.104
No, it's not, but then you have this man
who shares half of my DNA.

01:01:32.146 --> 01:01:33.356
Our DNA.

01:01:36.442 --> 01:01:38.695
There's just
so many theories, and I...

01:01:39.487 --> 01:01:42.323
I don't think we'll ever know
why he was doing it,

01:01:43.449 --> 01:01:44.449
but

01:01:45.743 --> 01:01:49.288
I want him to have to pay for it.
I want an investigation.

01:01:51.249 --> 01:01:52.458
I want him punished.

01:02:00.091 --> 01:02:03.219
The Attorney General's
office didn't give a shit.

01:02:04.387 --> 01:02:07.181
We were told that
they couldn't give us any information

01:02:07.265 --> 01:02:08.891
and we weren't allowed to know.

01:02:10.017 --> 01:02:13.187
And we just kind of got disregarded.

01:02:13.688 --> 01:02:16.816
The one person that we had
was Angela Ganote,

01:02:16.899 --> 01:02:20.153
calling and asking them,
"What are you going to do?"

01:02:23.197 --> 01:02:26.576
I had started back in 2015,

01:02:27.326 --> 01:02:30.455
asking the Attorney General
for an interview,

01:02:31.622 --> 01:02:36.043
asking anything that I could know about
this, and they would tell me nothing.

01:02:37.378 --> 01:02:40.339
And then I also reached out
to the Marion County prosecutor

01:02:40.423 --> 01:02:42.341
and said, "Is anyone listening?"

01:02:43.092 --> 01:02:44.385
Finally, the spokesperson

01:02:44.469 --> 01:02:46.888
from the Marion County
prosecutor's office said,

01:02:46.971 --> 01:02:49.474
"Angela, I'm sorry.
I don't... Somehow I missed it."

01:02:49.974 --> 01:02:54.729
I laid out a long paragraph
of the whole story and what had happened.

01:02:54.812 --> 01:02:57.732
I had even sent our story
that had aired and said,

01:02:57.815 --> 01:02:59.484
"Did you watch our story?

01:02:59.567 --> 01:03:02.236
I've been asking these questions
for more than a year,

01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:03.404
and I'm getting nowhere."

01:03:03.988 --> 01:03:07.658
"And I feel like it's time that
the prosecutor, or the Attorney General,

01:03:07.742 --> 01:03:10.995
or somebody sits down
and answers the questions that I have."

01:03:12.288 --> 01:03:14.749
When we got the media inquiry,

01:03:14.832 --> 01:03:19.921
there hadn't been
any true investigation done anywhere yet.

01:03:20.004 --> 01:03:21.506
But at the end of the day,

01:03:21.589 --> 01:03:24.425
there's just no crime that touches

01:03:24.509 --> 01:03:26.093
this particular act.

01:03:27.094 --> 01:03:28.094
That's our problem.

01:03:31.933 --> 01:03:34.060
So I remember we were sitting there,

01:03:34.811 --> 01:03:38.314
and, um, you know, we're asking him,

01:03:38.397 --> 01:03:40.107
"How is this not rape?"

01:03:40.191 --> 01:03:42.360
I don't deny
that it was a sexual violation.

01:03:42.443 --> 01:03:45.238
But legally, it isn't a sexual violation.

01:03:45.822 --> 01:03:48.825
"I feel like my mother was raped"

01:03:48.908 --> 01:03:52.537
is a valid human emotional statement.

01:03:53.579 --> 01:03:57.124
But..."Dr. Cline committed rape"

01:03:57.208 --> 01:04:01.045
is a legal assertion that was not true,

01:04:01.128 --> 01:04:03.589
and I wasn't gonna put it on paper

01:04:03.673 --> 01:04:04.966
with my signature.

01:04:05.049 --> 01:04:07.176
And I said, "What about battery?"

01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:10.179
And... he got rude with me.

01:04:10.263 --> 01:04:14.183
He said, "I don't know how many times
I'm gonna have to tell you this."

01:04:15.101 --> 01:04:18.187
"I can't charge him with battery.
It wasn't battery."

01:04:18.271 --> 01:04:20.398
I, uh, was so pissed.

01:04:20.481 --> 01:04:22.400
I looked at Tim Delaney, and I said,

01:04:22.483 --> 01:04:25.069
"So if I spit in your face right now,

01:04:25.152 --> 01:04:26.320
it's not battery?"

01:04:26.946 --> 01:04:30.283
And he said, "It is,
because you'd be spitting on me."

01:04:32.743 --> 01:04:34.579
And I'm like, "What the fuck?"

01:04:34.662 --> 01:04:37.790
"So a doctor can go jack off

01:04:37.874 --> 01:04:41.377
and put their sperm in a woman

01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:44.672
who's their patient that did not consent

01:04:44.755 --> 01:04:46.549
to have their doctor do that,

01:04:47.842 --> 01:04:50.469
but yet, you're gonna tell me
that if I spit in your face,

01:04:50.553 --> 01:04:52.847
I'd be arrested and charged with battery?"

01:04:52.930 --> 01:04:56.976
Jacoba and a lot of the individuals
touched by this were very emotional,

01:04:57.059 --> 01:05:02.315
and had, um, a feeling
that what I was there to do,

01:05:02.899 --> 01:05:05.276
wasn't to apply the law

01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:08.863
to determine whether or not
Dr. Cline had committed a crime.

01:05:09.447 --> 01:05:12.283
They thought I was there
to deliver catharsis.

01:05:12.783 --> 01:05:13.783
And I wasn't.

01:05:22.585 --> 01:05:24.420
There's unequal application of the law.

01:05:24.503 --> 01:05:26.857
It happens every day,
it happens all over the United States,

01:05:26.881 --> 01:05:28.121
and it happens here in Indiana.

01:05:29.300 --> 01:05:30.718
Was there fraud?

01:05:30.801 --> 01:05:32.511
Was there something else?

01:05:34.305 --> 01:05:37.224
I just didn't feel like
it was investigated enough

01:05:37.308 --> 01:05:40.186
to look at
what could he have been charged with.

01:05:40.269 --> 01:05:43.356
There was never
a good explanation in my mind.

01:05:44.649 --> 01:05:46.984
I had a copy
of the Indiana sexual assault law,

01:05:47.568 --> 01:05:52.031
and I said, "Surely, there's somewhere
in this law that you can say..."

01:05:52.114 --> 01:05:55.117
He says, "No, it has to have
both components. It has to have force

01:05:55.910 --> 01:05:57.411
and non-consent."

01:05:57.495 --> 01:05:59.080
When you talk about rape,

01:05:59.163 --> 01:06:01.749
there is a provision
in Indiana law that says,

01:06:01.832 --> 01:06:03.626
"Rape can include conduct

01:06:03.709 --> 01:06:07.797
which a victim does not know is sexual,
but the perpetrator knows is sexual."

01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:09.840
And that, I think,
is actually the closest charge,

01:06:10.633 --> 01:06:13.344
because in order for him
to produce this sperm sample,

01:06:13.427 --> 01:06:15.805
he had to masturbate
in very close proximity

01:06:15.888 --> 01:06:18.057
to the office where a patient was waiting,

01:06:18.140 --> 01:06:19.725
unclothed from the waist down,

01:06:19.809 --> 01:06:22.520
with a paper cloth covering her knees,

01:06:22.603 --> 01:06:24.230
and knees spread apart.

01:06:25.731 --> 01:06:27.191
Who's to say when this touch

01:06:27.274 --> 01:06:29.986
stops becoming sexual
and starts becoming clinical?

01:06:30.903 --> 01:06:34.281
I think even if he's not thinking
of the patient in a sexual sense,

01:06:34.365 --> 01:06:37.702
the very fact that he's still
under the effects of physical arousal

01:06:37.785 --> 01:06:39.662
makes this a sexual touching.

01:06:40.162 --> 01:06:43.916
Even if he's thinking of his wife
or a pink fuzzy bunny rabbit,

01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:45.835
it is still a sexual act.

01:06:47.545 --> 01:06:50.381
But I also think
we have to see Tim Delaney

01:06:50.464 --> 01:06:52.550
in the context
in which this case was brought.

01:06:52.633 --> 01:06:55.011
And so when I interviewed Tim Delaney,

01:06:55.094 --> 01:06:57.346
he said that Indiana juries

01:06:57.430 --> 01:07:00.725
were not willing to buy
rape-by-deception theories.

01:07:01.308 --> 01:07:04.937
The jury is going to say,
"This woman consented to insemination."

01:07:05.021 --> 01:07:08.190
"This woman wanted a child."
And the question is always out there,

01:07:08.274 --> 01:07:12.319
"Does this woman's desire for a child
legitimate Donald Cline's deception?"

01:07:12.403 --> 01:07:14.697
And unfortunately, that is a question

01:07:14.780 --> 01:07:19.076
that Tim Delaney had to weigh
would enter into the minds of jurors.

01:07:20.244 --> 01:07:23.664
If he asked me
if it'd be okay for him to be the donor,

01:07:23.748 --> 01:07:26.459
I would have not said yes.

01:07:26.542 --> 01:07:27.710
I would say no.

01:07:29.879 --> 01:07:33.799
It was a violation of him into me.

01:07:35.593 --> 01:07:39.096
The issue for me is there was no consent.

01:07:41.057 --> 01:07:42.683
He didn't give me a choice.

01:07:45.853 --> 01:07:48.189
The Attorney General's office
had at least

01:07:48.272 --> 01:07:50.733
reached out to Dr. Cline at some point

01:07:50.816 --> 01:07:53.402
and asked him if he...
if he had used his sperm,

01:07:53.486 --> 01:07:56.655
or had asked some sort of question
because Dr. Cline told me that.

01:07:56.739 --> 01:07:59.325
He told me that he filled it out,

01:07:59.408 --> 01:08:01.702
and that he denied anything,
that he wasn't the father.

01:08:01.786 --> 01:08:04.246
I don't know what's in that letter
'cause I've never seen it,

01:08:04.330 --> 01:08:05.873
but I know what our conversation was.

01:08:05.956 --> 01:08:09.960
Dr. Cline told me that he talked
with the Attorney General's office

01:08:10.044 --> 01:08:11.504
through paperwork,

01:08:12.088 --> 01:08:15.341
and that... he was not the father.

01:08:17.259 --> 01:08:19.887
That was really what ended up
getting him in trouble,

01:08:19.970 --> 01:08:22.681
because he lied to me, and I knew it,

01:08:22.765 --> 01:08:25.643
and he lied on the paperwork
to the Attorney General's office.

01:08:25.726 --> 01:08:28.270
So at one point,
I reached out to the Attorney General,

01:08:28.354 --> 01:08:30.231
and say, "You know he's lying to you."

01:08:30.314 --> 01:08:34.777
He lied and said
that he never used his sperm

01:08:34.860 --> 01:08:36.904
to inseminate his patients.

01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:41.283
Only after we determined
that the Attorney General's office

01:08:41.367 --> 01:08:42.827
had sent those letters

01:08:42.910 --> 01:08:45.996
were we able to come up
with a theory for how to proceed.

01:08:46.622 --> 01:08:48.666
We wanted to nail him with something,

01:08:48.749 --> 01:08:50.918
and the fact that
we finally got something,

01:08:51.001 --> 01:08:52.503
it was like a "hurrah" moment.

01:08:53.003 --> 01:08:54.505
And not only that,

01:08:54.588 --> 01:08:57.216
he also added that he was going to sue me

01:08:57.299 --> 01:08:58.968
for libel and slander.

01:09:00.928 --> 01:09:02.930
Denying is obstruction of justice,

01:09:03.013 --> 01:09:06.767
but denying and threatening,
and, to paraphrase, saying,

01:09:06.851 --> 01:09:09.270
"Do you know who I am?"
was more than enough.

01:09:09.812 --> 01:09:12.666
It was like, "Eureka!" The, you know...
The bathwater started spilling out.

01:09:12.690 --> 01:09:14.859
I said, "Oh my God, we've got an angle."

01:09:34.295 --> 01:09:37.256
After we began the investigation,

01:09:37.882 --> 01:09:41.177
obviously the first step
was to get DNA from Dr. Cline.

01:09:47.474 --> 01:09:48.726
He was sick.

01:09:49.310 --> 01:09:50.895
He had pneumonia, I believe.

01:09:50.978 --> 01:09:52.855
So he said, "Don't come too close."

01:09:54.023 --> 01:09:56.650
And we said,
"We have a search warrant for your DNA."

01:09:57.735 --> 01:10:00.279
He asked a little bit
about "What is this all about?"

01:10:00.362 --> 01:10:01.947
But he knew what it was all about.

01:10:05.659 --> 01:10:08.162
Detective Sergeant Carmen Walker

01:10:08.245 --> 01:10:10.206
of the Marion County
Sheriff's Office said,

01:10:10.289 --> 01:10:11.957
"We need you to open your mouth."

01:10:14.084 --> 01:10:15.586
And he complied.

01:10:23.427 --> 01:10:25.429
He did not look like he was enjoying it.

01:10:50.162 --> 01:10:55.668
It came back 99.9997%

01:10:55.751 --> 01:10:58.420
that I am his biological daughter.

01:10:58.921 --> 01:11:01.340
<i>And how many times
did you use your own sample?</i>

01:11:01.882 --> 01:11:03.592
<i>Sparingly, but</i>

01:11:05.052 --> 01:11:09.139
<i>keep in mind,
we're talking 30 to 35 years ago,</i>

01:11:09.223 --> 01:11:12.268
<i>and I... I can't remember.</i>

01:11:12.351 --> 01:11:15.062
<i>All the records have been shredded.</i>

01:11:18.190 --> 01:11:21.277
<i>The fertility doctor
at the center of a controversial case</i>

01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:23.654
<i>is headed back to court
to answer criminal charges.</i>

01:11:23.737 --> 01:11:26.657
<i>Dr. Donald Cline is charged
with two felony counts</i>

01:11:26.740 --> 01:11:30.703
<i>of obstruction of justice
for statements he made to investigators.</i>

01:11:30.786 --> 01:11:32.830
<i>The retired
Indianapolis fertility doctor</i>

01:11:32.913 --> 01:11:36.083
<i>now plans to plead guilty
to obstruction of justice.</i>

01:11:36.166 --> 01:11:39.503
<i>Prosecutors say he intentionally
misled investigators about a case</i>

01:11:39.586 --> 01:11:42.339
<i>that's turned dozens
of people's lives upside down.</i>

01:11:42.423 --> 01:11:44.174
And it was literally 20 months ago

01:11:44.258 --> 01:11:47.219
that I got a Facebook question to me,
"Angela, can you help me?"

01:11:47.303 --> 01:11:50.973
And thank you for believing in them,
because no one else did but you.

01:11:51.056 --> 01:11:52.141
Yeah, thank you.

01:11:52.224 --> 01:11:53.600
He didn't want to go to trial

01:11:53.684 --> 01:11:55.519
because more information would come out,

01:11:55.602 --> 01:11:58.814
and then also,
he'd probably get more of a punishment.

01:11:58.897 --> 01:12:00.566
So he changed his plea to guilty.

01:12:08.615 --> 01:12:11.952
I felt good
that day at the court hearing.

01:12:13.287 --> 01:12:16.790
Even though I knew
that all he was being charged with

01:12:16.874 --> 01:12:19.501
was two counts of obstruction of justice,

01:12:19.585 --> 01:12:23.005
I thought, "Fucking finally. Something."

01:12:27.634 --> 01:12:30.804
I didn't wanna make
eye contact with him. I...

01:12:32.973 --> 01:12:34.433
I was afraid of him.

01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:42.274
Uh, he actually walked right
past me and brushed up against me, and...

01:12:43.567 --> 01:12:46.153
it almost brought me to my knees.

01:12:47.946 --> 01:12:51.408
That was my first time seeing that man

01:12:52.534 --> 01:12:56.497
and being that close to him,
and there was no regard for us.

01:12:58.540 --> 01:13:01.126
<i>Your honor, I'm asking for mercy</i>

01:13:01.210 --> 01:13:04.213
<i>and compassion for myself.</i>

01:13:07.424 --> 01:13:09.593
<i>I've tried to live out my life</i>

01:13:09.676 --> 01:13:12.346
<i>showing honesty and care to others,</i>

01:13:12.429 --> 01:13:14.640
<i>and I will continue to do so.</i>

01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:16.683
He looked very old

01:13:17.226 --> 01:13:20.312
and weak, and part of me thought,

01:13:20.396 --> 01:13:24.358
"Is this an act that you're putting on
to get the judge to go easier on you?"

01:13:29.196 --> 01:13:31.490
I was allowed to give
a victim-impact statement

01:13:31.573 --> 01:13:35.411
because I was one of the originals
that filed a complaint with the state.

01:13:36.829 --> 01:13:40.916
My hope was that the judge
would be appalled by this,

01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:45.254
and that he would at least get,
like, some jail time.

01:13:45.838 --> 01:13:47.881
<i>These are my words to Cline.</i>

01:13:47.965 --> 01:13:51.635
<i>Every time I or my half-siblings
look up our name,</i>

01:13:51.718 --> 01:13:53.679
<i>we all have the same issue tied to you.</i>

01:13:53.762 --> 01:13:55.472
<i>It has caused anguish in everyone,</i>

01:13:55.556 --> 01:13:58.058
<i>and some of us have
wanted to die from this pain.</i>

01:13:59.643 --> 01:14:03.564
<i>For 30 years, my half-sister, Julie,
believed her dad was her biological dad...</i>

01:14:03.647 --> 01:14:05.232
<i>Objection, Your Honor.</i>

01:14:06.150 --> 01:14:07.151
<i>Relevancy.</i>

01:14:08.986 --> 01:14:12.072
We had agreed
to the wording of the statement.

01:14:12.698 --> 01:14:13.699
Literally redlined it.

01:14:14.283 --> 01:14:17.453
And I had things crossed out
or highlighted that you can't say.

01:14:17.536 --> 01:14:19.371
<i>Because of your denials,</i>

01:14:19.455 --> 01:14:21.832
<i>I feel you have
no consideration for the mothers</i>

01:14:21.915 --> 01:14:24.793
<i>who came to you,
us as your biological children,</i>

01:14:24.877 --> 01:14:27.671
<i>or your wife
and the four children you had with her.</i>

01:14:27.754 --> 01:14:31.133
<i>It was always about you.
You lied. You still lie.</i>

01:14:31.216 --> 01:14:34.303
<i>You even have your family believing you,
and that sickens me.</i>

01:14:34.386 --> 01:14:36.513
<i>- Our mothers trusted you...
- Objection!</i>

01:14:36.597 --> 01:14:38.056
She... she went for it.

01:14:38.140 --> 01:14:41.060
I don't know if I would've had the courage
to do that in front of a judge.

01:14:41.101 --> 01:14:42.311
But, you know...

01:14:42.394 --> 01:14:45.731
<i>I'm asking you to look at the
depth of the reasons he is charged with...</i>

01:14:45.814 --> 01:14:46.857
<i>Objection!</i>

01:14:46.940 --> 01:14:48.650
What we're really getting at

01:14:48.734 --> 01:14:51.195
is the inability of victims
to tell their stories.

01:14:51.278 --> 01:14:53.280
Those who testify can only testify

01:14:53.363 --> 01:14:55.991
to... to what is relevant
to a criminal proceeding.

01:14:56.074 --> 01:14:58.827
But... And what is relevant
to Cline's proceeding

01:14:58.911 --> 01:15:01.330
was not what happened in the '70s or '80s,

01:15:01.413 --> 01:15:03.165
not the births, not the fertility fraud.

01:15:03.248 --> 01:15:04.583
It was the lies to the state.

01:15:05.167 --> 01:15:08.170
In Cline's proceeding,
the state was the victim. They weren't.

01:15:08.754 --> 01:15:12.132
<i>I do want to reiterate, probably
for the fifth or sixth time at this point,</i>

01:15:12.216 --> 01:15:15.219
<i>that the court, by law, can only consider</i>

01:15:16.094 --> 01:15:18.263
<i>the charges
that Dr. Cline's plead guilty to,</i>

01:15:18.347 --> 01:15:20.599
<i>the obstruction of... of justice charges.</i>

01:15:20.682 --> 01:15:24.728
<i>Obviously, it would be inappropriate
for me to consider outside of that realm.</i>

01:15:25.437 --> 01:15:28.023
What we asked for the judge to do

01:15:28.106 --> 01:15:29.733
was twofold.

01:15:29.816 --> 01:15:35.030
One, to make sure
that these crimes remained as felonies

01:15:35.113 --> 01:15:37.533
on his record, and two,

01:15:37.616 --> 01:15:40.160
deliver executed time,
an executed sentence,

01:15:40.244 --> 01:15:42.454
meaning time served in jail.

01:15:43.205 --> 01:15:46.333
<i>We received a number
of support letters for Dr. Cline.</i>

01:15:46.416 --> 01:15:48.296
<i>These are letters
from members of the community,</i>

01:15:48.377 --> 01:15:52.297
<i>former patients, and members
of Dr. Cline's family and church.</i>

01:15:52.381 --> 01:15:55.551
<i>These individuals have known
Dr. Cline for many years.</i>

01:15:55.634 --> 01:15:58.637
<i>And they evidence
a strong connection to his family,</i>

01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:00.973
<i>the community, and that rehabilitation</i>

01:16:01.056 --> 01:16:04.601
<i>is not only possible
but actually has already taken place here.</i>

01:16:05.769 --> 01:16:08.272
A lot of folks submitted letters

01:16:08.772 --> 01:16:10.816
on his behalf to the judge.

01:16:10.899 --> 01:16:14.027
I believe there was one
that came from a prosecutor

01:16:14.111 --> 01:16:16.989
from Boone County,
which is where he lives,

01:16:17.072 --> 01:16:19.575
saying that "This guy is a good man,"

01:16:19.658 --> 01:16:22.035
you know, "He should get some leniency."

01:16:25.831 --> 01:16:28.511
Is that an odd thing
for a prosecutor to write to a judge

01:16:28.542 --> 01:16:29.542
if it's a friend?

01:16:32.379 --> 01:16:35.173
I'd do well not to comment
on that particular question.

01:16:37.301 --> 01:16:40.137
That's when I, in my gut,

01:16:40.637 --> 01:16:42.472
felt like the state was corrupt.

01:16:42.556 --> 01:16:43.640
There were people corrupt,

01:16:43.724 --> 01:16:45.726
and they were friends
with him or something.

01:16:46.768 --> 01:16:49.313
<i>Please remember
that whatever happens during sentencing,</i>

01:16:49.396 --> 01:16:51.940
<i>the people that love you
are gonna continue to love you.</i>

01:16:53.317 --> 01:16:56.570
The judge seemed
very sympathetic towards him,

01:16:56.653 --> 01:16:58.572
like on the verge of tears.

01:16:58.655 --> 01:17:02.034
<i>With the limited resources
that we have, overcrowding at the jail,</i>

01:17:02.117 --> 01:17:04.369
<i>and your lack of a criminal history,</i>

01:17:04.453 --> 01:17:07.539
<i>um, an executed sentence is nothing
that the court is gonna order.</i>

01:17:07.623 --> 01:17:10.208
I really wanted him to have jail time.

01:17:10.292 --> 01:17:11.168
I really did.

01:17:11.251 --> 01:17:14.588
I thought that that would bring
a little bit of closure to me.

01:17:15.464 --> 01:17:17.424
But... no.

01:17:18.091 --> 01:17:22.012
<i>I know that this is your
first offense, but Dr. Cline, I do believe</i>

01:17:22.095 --> 01:17:26.850
<i>that the facts support going ahead
and sentencing you as a level 6 felon.</i>

01:17:28.060 --> 01:17:30.604
<i>Um, as to fines and costs,</i>

01:17:31.104 --> 01:17:33.732
<i>sir, the court will fine you $500.</i>

01:17:34.983 --> 01:17:38.111
And so he got
the two Level 6 felonies

01:17:38.195 --> 01:17:40.781
with complete suspended sentences

01:17:40.864 --> 01:17:42.783
and a $500 fine,

01:17:43.700 --> 01:17:45.827
which is a slap in the fucking face.

01:17:58.298 --> 01:18:00.384
<i>Dr. Cline,
do you have any comment at all?</i>

01:18:00.967 --> 01:18:04.087
<i>Dr. Cline, what would you
change now if you could change anything?</i>

01:18:07.099 --> 01:18:09.726
This was a span of two years

01:18:09.810 --> 01:18:12.104
from me filing a complaint,

01:18:12.187 --> 01:18:15.232
to them actually,
finally doing something about it.

01:18:16.983 --> 01:18:18.110
And...

01:18:19.569 --> 01:18:22.989
...this judge just let this man

01:18:23.073 --> 01:18:25.367
pretty much off the hook.

01:18:29.830 --> 01:18:32.416
And I dread
every new match that comes.

01:18:34.084 --> 01:18:35.752
But they just keep coming,

01:18:36.253 --> 01:18:38.714
and you never know the day
that you're gonna wake up,

01:18:38.797 --> 01:18:40.632
and then they're going to be there.

01:18:53.729 --> 01:18:55.981
I just... Uh, I feel like he...

01:18:58.984 --> 01:19:00.819
That this was some sick

01:19:02.154 --> 01:19:04.072
game experiment for him.

01:19:06.992 --> 01:19:08.076
<i>As far as I know,</i>

01:19:08.160 --> 01:19:11.872
<i>all of the inseminations
that I did with my sample,</i>

01:19:13.331 --> 01:19:15.625
<i>um, and again it was sparingly,</i>

01:19:16.126 --> 01:19:18.462
<i>um, had a healthy baby.</i>

01:19:19.254 --> 01:19:21.506
It was, you know, important to my parents

01:19:22.299 --> 01:19:24.259
that it was someone that was healthy,

01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.512
and for him
to turn around and violate them

01:19:27.596 --> 01:19:31.057
and do this without their consent, and

01:19:32.392 --> 01:19:37.063
there's a lot of us
that have the same health issues.

01:19:38.148 --> 01:19:40.025
Almost every single one of us.

01:19:42.778 --> 01:19:46.239
I've been to so many doctors,
been to the Cleveland Clinic.

01:19:46.740 --> 01:19:48.617
They don't know what's wrong with me.

01:19:49.326 --> 01:19:50.326
I'm sick.

01:19:51.661 --> 01:19:55.540
And other, um, siblings have, um,

01:19:56.208 --> 01:19:58.418
autoimmune diseases and stuff.

01:19:59.878 --> 01:20:02.130
I have an autoimmune disease, yeah.

01:20:02.214 --> 01:20:04.132
It's, um, a blood clotting disorder,

01:20:04.216 --> 01:20:07.928
um, which I didn't know
until I had a miscarriage,

01:20:08.011 --> 01:20:11.223
and, uh, we were determining
what would have caused that.

01:20:11.807 --> 01:20:13.058
I mean, I've had...

01:20:16.561 --> 01:20:19.356
...colonoscopy, endoscopy, I've had...

01:20:21.107 --> 01:20:23.318
I mean, I've spent weeks in the hospital,

01:20:23.819 --> 01:20:25.987
losing 15 pounds at a time.

01:20:26.947 --> 01:20:31.743
I have a lot of digestive,
um, and colon issues, and

01:20:32.786 --> 01:20:34.788
no one on my mom's side does.

01:20:37.999 --> 01:20:39.543
In the early '70s,

01:20:39.626 --> 01:20:42.879
I had heard
that he was having trouble, uh, operating

01:20:42.963 --> 01:20:44.798
because he had rheumatoid arthritis.

01:20:44.881 --> 01:20:47.092
And he had... His hands were swelling up.

01:20:47.592 --> 01:20:50.720
I... I, at that time,
I felt I would hate to see him,

01:20:50.804 --> 01:20:53.723
his career of being a great surgeon end

01:20:53.807 --> 01:20:56.601
because he couldn't get
the right treatment for his arthritis.

01:20:56.685 --> 01:20:58.728
And so, I called our chief of medicine,

01:20:58.812 --> 01:21:00.647
told him about Cline's problems.

01:21:00.730 --> 01:21:03.441
And he said,
"Yeah. Well, let me call Dr. B. up there,"

01:21:03.525 --> 01:21:06.987
and Cline went down and met with him,
and he told him what to take, etcetera.

01:21:07.070 --> 01:21:11.700
So, once he got on the right medications,
he seemed to be fine.

01:21:11.783 --> 01:21:13.535
His symptoms abated.

01:21:16.746 --> 01:21:19.291
I know
in talking to a sperm bank,

01:21:20.375 --> 01:21:23.837
30% of the guys didn't even make it

01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:26.006
past the questionnaire

01:21:26.590 --> 01:21:28.341
because of what was in their family.

01:21:28.425 --> 01:21:31.386
History of cancer, history of whatever,

01:21:31.887 --> 01:21:33.847
even color blindness, for goodness sakes.

01:21:33.930 --> 01:21:36.391
Now, looking back at it, and being like,

01:21:36.474 --> 01:21:39.519
"Okay. He's got an autoimmune disease,

01:21:39.603 --> 01:21:44.190
um, and his sperm
wouldn't have even been allowed

01:21:44.274 --> 01:21:46.192
to be a donor because of that."

01:21:46.818 --> 01:21:49.487
Like, "Dude, you knew this."

01:21:49.571 --> 01:21:52.240
"You knew... you knew you had issues."

01:21:52.324 --> 01:21:54.576
"Like, how... how dare you?"

01:21:55.785 --> 01:21:57.287
Yeah.

01:22:00.165 --> 01:22:02.083
Now, there's the Don Cline we knew,

01:22:03.043 --> 01:22:06.338
that I knew, that I th... knew well.

01:22:08.506 --> 01:22:11.176
And there's the Don Cline
I would have never imagined.

01:22:14.054 --> 01:22:15.054
Yeah.

01:22:15.889 --> 01:22:17.140
Yeah. It broke my heart.

01:22:24.147 --> 01:22:25.147
Evil.

01:22:25.982 --> 01:22:29.110
And I... If Don was right here,
I'd say that right to his face.

01:22:34.157 --> 01:22:35.533
Still to this day,

01:22:35.617 --> 01:22:39.621
there are people
in his community that back him.

01:22:40.413 --> 01:22:44.459
And people that sit there and say,
"But he is such a wonderful man."

01:22:44.960 --> 01:22:47.212
And I just want to look at those people

01:22:47.295 --> 01:22:50.006
and say, "Well, then maybe
he should have put his sperm

01:22:50.090 --> 01:22:52.425
in your wife without her consent."

01:22:52.509 --> 01:22:55.178
"And then how would you like that?"

01:23:05.897 --> 01:23:09.859
I took a 23andMe DNA test because,

01:23:10.402 --> 01:23:12.362
about four or five years ago now,

01:23:12.445 --> 01:23:16.241
my children and I were both diagnosed
with a genetic disorder.

01:23:17.409 --> 01:23:19.202
I got the results back.

01:23:19.285 --> 01:23:24.124
And when I got to the genetic DNA family,

01:23:24.791 --> 01:23:27.419
there were half-siblings listed.

01:23:27.502 --> 01:23:30.588
And I honestly just thought,
"Oh, this is a mistake."

01:23:31.464 --> 01:23:33.299
Because by that time,

01:23:33.383 --> 01:23:40.015
I didn't know that my parents
had any type of fertility treatment

01:23:40.098 --> 01:23:42.851
other than receiving
fertility medications.

01:23:43.643 --> 01:23:48.940
So I kind of just put it out of my mind,
and didn't think anything of it.

01:23:51.151 --> 01:23:54.070
And then I had
a couple messages from Jacoba.

01:23:55.739 --> 01:23:57.574
And it basically said,

01:23:57.657 --> 01:24:01.369
"I'm sure
you're confused by your results."

01:24:01.453 --> 01:24:03.955
"Feel free to contact me
with any questions."

01:24:04.831 --> 01:24:09.419
It didn't occur to me
that she was talking about the siblings,

01:24:09.502 --> 01:24:14.257
so I just
kind of disregarded that message.

01:24:18.970 --> 01:24:23.099
On December 9th of 2019,

01:24:23.183 --> 01:24:24.517
a <i>Dr. Phil</i> show aired.

01:24:25.226 --> 01:24:27.062
Well, question for you.

01:24:27.145 --> 01:24:29.064
How would you feel if you found out

01:24:29.147 --> 01:24:31.274
your mother's fertility doctor

01:24:32.150 --> 01:24:34.527
was actually your biological father?

01:24:41.367 --> 01:24:43.328
When the siblings walked out...

01:24:45.413 --> 01:24:47.207
Jacoba was introduced.

01:24:47.290 --> 01:24:52.545
You felt no remorse from him,
other than just the fear of being caught.

01:24:52.629 --> 01:24:55.173
He was not remorseful at all.

01:24:55.256 --> 01:24:58.259
- None?
- He just did not want it to be public.

01:24:58.343 --> 01:25:01.012
He told me,
"The world does not need to know."

01:25:01.930 --> 01:25:02.972
Wow.

01:25:06.559 --> 01:25:10.438
I, uh, quickly got my phone
and opened my 23andMe,

01:25:11.106 --> 01:25:15.401
and all of the siblings on that show
were listed as my half-siblings.

01:25:17.070 --> 01:25:20.490
So then I knew, I knew at that moment,

01:25:21.241 --> 01:25:23.827
that there... That we were a part of it.

01:25:25.453 --> 01:25:29.207
I was a patient
of Dr. Cline's for many years.

01:25:30.416 --> 01:25:35.046
I think he took each case very personally.

01:25:35.130 --> 01:25:36.589
At least he did with me.

01:25:38.508 --> 01:25:40.176
He delivered the girls,

01:25:41.344 --> 01:25:44.472
and he came over with his wife

01:25:44.556 --> 01:25:46.933
to see our babies at home.

01:25:51.104 --> 01:25:53.815
So this is a picture
of my twin sister and I

01:25:53.898 --> 01:25:57.068
right after delivery, in the incubator.

01:25:59.904 --> 01:26:01.030
And...

01:26:06.119 --> 01:26:10.331
this is the picture of Cline
holding me as an infant at the house.

01:26:12.959 --> 01:26:15.378
I was probably eight months old there.

01:26:21.885 --> 01:26:25.555
I had such mixed emotions in that

01:26:26.639 --> 01:26:29.684
the thought that he had used

01:26:29.767 --> 01:26:33.563
his own specimen to impregnate me

01:26:34.314 --> 01:26:38.443
made me kind of queasy
and sick to my stomach.

01:26:39.027 --> 01:26:40.778
Whereas, um...

01:26:42.822 --> 01:26:44.157
on the other hand,

01:26:44.240 --> 01:26:47.952
I thought about the fact
that because of his skills

01:26:48.036 --> 01:26:49.662
in operating on me,

01:26:49.746 --> 01:26:54.292
and... and clearing up some of the things
that were causing infertility,

01:26:54.375 --> 01:26:56.085
I was grateful to him.

01:26:56.711 --> 01:26:59.172
So I had this mix of emotions,

01:26:59.255 --> 01:27:02.383
and I have twin daughters

01:27:02.467 --> 01:27:06.137
who are absolutely delightful girls.

01:27:07.388 --> 01:27:08.640
And I...

01:27:09.390 --> 01:27:11.059
You know, you can't be angry

01:27:11.142 --> 01:27:14.687
when you have...
you have what you always dreamed of.

01:27:17.190 --> 01:27:20.652
Well, it was, um, complex for me because...

01:27:23.571 --> 01:27:25.907
I was 47 years old at the time,

01:27:25.990 --> 01:27:27.242
and to find out...

01:27:31.788 --> 01:27:34.499
...that the man I looked up to and emulated

01:27:34.582 --> 01:27:36.167
from the time I was small...

01:27:38.127 --> 01:27:42.465
was not my biological father was crushing.

01:27:44.884 --> 01:27:46.427
That was the biggest part.

01:27:46.511 --> 01:27:49.555
I felt this need to protect him,

01:27:49.639 --> 01:27:51.724
and I didn't want people to know.

01:27:55.770 --> 01:27:59.274
But the other part of my story

01:27:59.357 --> 01:28:03.236
is that Don Cline
was also my fertility doctor.

01:28:09.242 --> 01:28:12.328
He was my main GYN.

01:28:12.412 --> 01:28:16.874
He took care of all my gynecological needs
for the two years that I saw him.

01:28:16.958 --> 01:28:18.918
He did my Pap exams.

01:28:19.002 --> 01:28:20.878
He did breast exams.

01:28:24.549 --> 01:28:28.928
I mean, I don't think
any grown woman wants...

01:28:30.805 --> 01:28:33.391
someone closely related to them,

01:28:33.474 --> 01:28:37.895
a member of the opposite sex,
to touch them in that way, in such...

01:28:37.979 --> 01:28:41.983
It's a very vulnerable position
that the patient is in.

01:28:42.567 --> 01:28:45.236
And to be touching and examining

01:28:46.738 --> 01:28:49.324
private areas of your body. It's just...

01:28:53.328 --> 01:28:57.498
It's... I can't... I can't even think
about it without getting upset.

01:28:58.499 --> 01:29:01.210
I didn't get to have
that knowledge. He knew.

01:29:01.294 --> 01:29:04.505
I didn't get to know that
or have the chance to say,

01:29:04.589 --> 01:29:06.924
"No. I would... I...
I'd rather I see someone else."

01:29:07.008 --> 01:29:11.637
"I don't... I don't want someone
who is biologically related to me

01:29:11.721 --> 01:29:13.181
to touch me in that way."

01:29:13.264 --> 01:29:15.016
I didn't get to do... know that.

01:29:19.896 --> 01:29:23.107
It's almost, you know,

01:29:23.191 --> 01:29:26.194
it's like... it's like a bad dream
that you... that's recurring.

01:29:27.028 --> 01:29:28.363
You wanna wake up.

01:29:28.446 --> 01:29:30.865
But every time you wake up,
it's not a dream.

01:29:33.743 --> 01:29:38.915
I just can't believe
how it was, you know, done to us.

01:29:38.998 --> 01:29:43.503
I really can't. And for him
to act like nothing happened.

01:29:43.586 --> 01:29:45.755
I think that's the worst part of it.

01:29:48.966 --> 01:29:52.303
<i>I don't want you
to think that I do this...</i>

01:29:52.387 --> 01:29:56.182
<i>I did the insemination with my own sample</i>

01:29:56.265 --> 01:29:57.683
<i>very blasé.</i>

01:29:59.602 --> 01:30:03.022
<i>Was there a sexual connotation to it?</i>

01:30:03.106 --> 01:30:04.190
<i>Absolutely not.</i>

01:30:05.149 --> 01:30:08.236
<i>I don't look at these people</i>

01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:10.696
<i>and consider them to be my</i>

01:30:11.406 --> 01:30:12.532
<i>children.</i>

01:30:16.077 --> 01:30:18.204
I want zero relationship with him.

01:30:24.001 --> 01:30:25.420
He's not my father.

01:30:30.633 --> 01:30:32.927
I may share half of his DNA,

01:30:34.137 --> 01:30:36.681
but he's not my father,
and he never will be.

01:30:43.020 --> 01:30:46.357
I feel sorry for him
because his whole life to his wife,

01:30:46.441 --> 01:30:49.610
to his own children,
to his community, to his church,

01:30:50.153 --> 01:30:53.406
to his colleagues
in the hospital and his office.

01:30:54.615 --> 01:30:55.783
It's all a lie.

01:30:58.327 --> 01:31:01.247
I would like to see him
pay for what he did...

01:31:03.958 --> 01:31:05.835
...but I just, I feel like...

01:31:07.670 --> 01:31:09.797
there isn't gonna be any justice.

01:31:11.424 --> 01:31:12.425
I'm okay.

01:31:14.594 --> 01:31:16.888
This is not my issue. It's his.

01:31:22.852 --> 01:31:26.272
I think continually putting
his name and face in the media,

01:31:27.440 --> 01:31:31.736
and telling our story
was the absolute way to go.

01:31:33.821 --> 01:31:35.907
I'm not gonna run away from him.

01:31:36.616 --> 01:31:38.534
Not gonna run away from this story.

01:31:40.203 --> 01:31:42.788
If you were not even
experiencing problems with infertility,

01:31:42.872 --> 01:31:46.125
if you saw Dr. Cline and you have a child,

01:31:46.209 --> 01:31:49.629
I think it is important,
very important, that you have a DNA test.

01:31:49.712 --> 01:31:53.382
Your child has a DNA test,
just to be certain that you know

01:31:53.466 --> 01:31:55.843
who the father is of that child.

01:32:02.850 --> 01:32:04.644
Instead of destroying me...

01:32:07.772 --> 01:32:09.899
you made me realize my self-worth.

01:32:10.900 --> 01:32:12.735
That's absolutely what you did.

01:32:12.818 --> 01:32:15.780
And you made me realize
what my purpose is too.

01:32:15.863 --> 01:32:16.948
And I'm a fighter.

01:32:18.199 --> 01:32:21.744
And I will fight for every sibling

01:32:21.827 --> 01:32:24.789
that I have that I know,
that I don't know,

01:32:24.872 --> 01:32:27.708
and for every woman that you assaulted.

01:32:29.293 --> 01:32:32.213
And I will do this
until the fucking day I die.

01:32:56.946 --> 01:32:58.698
<i>♪ Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:33:02.827 --> 01:33:05.705
<i>♪ Clever Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:33:10.042 --> 01:33:16.257
<i>♪ How quickly they do sell their souls ♪</i>

01:33:16.966 --> 01:33:22.597
<i>♪ For the feast and the promise of gold ♪</i>

01:33:23.806 --> 01:33:28.436
<i>♪ But Devil, that won't be me ♪</i>

01:33:34.233 --> 01:33:35.735
<i>♪ Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:33:40.114 --> 01:33:43.242
<i>♪ Bones of metal, metal ♪</i>

01:33:47.038 --> 01:33:53.377
<i>♪ You torture saints
With a single glance ♪</i>

01:33:53.878 --> 01:34:00.301
<i>♪ Make them think
They ever stood a chance ♪</i>

01:34:00.384 --> 01:34:03.763
<i>♪ Do not try me, Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:34:03.846 --> 01:34:07.099
<i>♪ Cannot buy me, Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:34:07.183 --> 01:34:13.439
<i>♪ You won't make a fool of me, oh no ♪</i>

01:34:13.939 --> 01:34:17.276
<i>♪ What makes you so special, special ♪</i>

01:34:17.360 --> 01:34:21.072
<i>♪ To think I would ever settle ♪</i>

01:34:21.155 --> 01:34:23.783
<i>♪ For that devious dance ♪</i>

01:34:23.866 --> 01:34:29.872
<i>♪ Between you and me, Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:34:34.835 --> 01:34:37.088
<i>♪ Rebel, rebel ♪</i>

01:34:40.466 --> 01:34:44.428
<i>♪ Call me a rebel, rebel ♪</i>

01:34:47.932 --> 01:34:53.729
<i>♪ I walk the plank, not a tear in my eye ♪</i>

01:34:54.689 --> 01:35:00.903
<i>♪ I won't go down your blushing bride ♪</i>

01:35:01.445 --> 01:35:07.410
<i>♪ Under the water
I'll be sharpening my knife ♪</i>

01:35:07.993 --> 01:35:11.330
<i>♪ Do not try me, Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:35:11.414 --> 01:35:14.667
<i>♪ Cannot buy me, Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:35:14.750 --> 01:35:20.798
<i>♪ You won't make a fool of me, oh no ♪</i>

01:35:21.340 --> 01:35:24.885
<i>♪ What makes you so special, special ♪</i>

01:35:24.969 --> 01:35:28.639
<i>♪ To think I would ever settle ♪</i>

01:35:28.723 --> 01:35:31.392
<i>♪ For that devious dance ♪</i>

01:35:31.475 --> 01:35:38.441
<i>♪ Between you and me, Devil, Devil ♪</i>

01:35:39.091 --> 01:36:38.091
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